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Why is there so much dislike for the middle name rose on here?

166 replies

Bluewales · 06/03/2026 17:01

I called my daughter Ava Rose I think it’s very short and pretty and I chose rose for no particular reason other than I liked how it looked and sounded, which seems to be heavily looked down upon on here to choose rose just because it’s pretty and without family meaning but I don’t really understand why it matters. Rose is a filler i admit but it’s beautiful that’s why imo. Many on here always insist on giving a really clunky old fashioned middle name like Catherine, Elizabeth, Margaret etc after a family member or something but not everyone needs or wants to pick such names just for the sake of a family member and to potentially make the first name look uglier.

im clearly biased because of my own child’s name but seriously don’t understand why there’s seems to be a problem with wanting a pretty middle name instead of something super significant.

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HugoThatway · 07/03/2026 12:31

I can think of people who always use the whole name but not many, and not all of us end up working in the media.

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Cetera · 07/03/2026 12:24

Dare is pretty cool. Really though, how often does anyone say their middle name out loud? Mostly it’s used for filling in forms I imagine.

HugoThatway · 07/03/2026 12:13

@Cetera , I don't see the point either unless the surname is a common one. I think my example backs it up. This is an example of now a good middle name could be useful.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 07/03/2026 12:12

I always thought that the point of middle names was to be able to give a child 'family' names but without having to be lumbered with an old fashioned first name.

All my five have three names each, so two middle names, and my youngest has Rose as her third name, because it was one of her grandmother's names (grandmother's third name actually, because the first two were so desperately dowdy and dated).

Cetera · 07/03/2026 12:03

Tbh I don’t even have one so that’s probably why they feel a bit pointless. My first and second names
are very distinctive. DH and DD do have middle names
but they never get used/mentioned. I never think about DD’s middle name.

HugoThatway · 07/03/2026 11:57

@Cetera, They are useful if you have a common surname and a common first name.
Something like Oliver Smith might be duplicated but your Oliver might be Oliver Fraser Jones while the other three are OIiver James Smith, so still duplicated.

I think a middle name is a great opportunity to use a stand out name - what if you loved Francesca but not Fran, Frankie, Chess or Chesca.
Ava Francesca Jones would be more memorable than Ava Rose Jones.

Giddykiddy · 07/03/2026 11:50

Over use I think - it's a lovely name tho - my DD has it as a middle - it doesn't really suit her - it's a bit twee and she isn't

HugoThatway · 07/03/2026 11:42

@piscofrisco , I was asking if you could provide some genuine background to your claim about the Old English spelling. It looks a bit like something you might have read on a baby name site, so if you have something of substance to back it up, I'd read it otherwise ir doesn't look genuine.
I'm guessing you are in North America.

I am well familiar with Ne’er cast a clout till May be out. The may refers to the hawthorn being in bloom.

Bemused89 · 07/03/2026 10:26

It's just taste isn't it. Adding rose/may/Mae/Rae was a fad which loads of people did 5-10 years ago. Working in education you saw a lot of it for years which is why I think there became a back lash and doing so fell from favour because it was so common and the second name was just filler. If you like it then great though. I don't know that I would have opened up a can of worms about it though as everyone has an opinion and I would hate for a name I used for my babies to be picked over.

Fifthtimelucky · 07/03/2026 10:22

I like Rose as a middle name. There is nothing wrong with it at all except that it is very common these days. I much prefer it to May and Grace.

My younger daughter (26) almost had Rose as a middle name. I actually prefer it to the middle name we chose, but it didn’t go as well with her first name.

VyeBrator · 07/03/2026 10:19

RosesAndHellebores · 07/03/2026 10:03

You have entirely missed the point that the names to which you allude had no previous UK history and therefore had no history of being in and out of fashion.

I suppose it's a bit like the awful word yeah that presently seems fashionable although I don't think there's a previous history, except dialectical.

I suppose it's a bit like the awful word yeah that presently seems fashionable although I don't think there's a previous history, except dialectical.

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That did tickle me.

Read it back and have a word with yourself lol, unless you're a Headmistress from the 1950s.

Cetera · 07/03/2026 10:17

Middle names are so irrelevant. I suppose if you choose one it may as well be a generic filler name. No point wasting a stand out name on the middle name!

dailyconniptions · 07/03/2026 10:16

It's extremely unimaginative and boring, although 'pretty' in its own way. My own daughter is a something Rose and I deeply regret it. She's can't stand it either. What a waste of a fabulous opportunity to choose a gorgeous other name. I'd go Fern, Faith, Heidi, Coco or Tamsin as her middle name now.

DeftGoldHedgehog · 07/03/2026 10:13

Both DDs have single syllable middle names (DD2 is Beth). Their first and surnames have three syllables so I think it works well. Rose I guess works with lots of other names. I considered Grace and Jean as the other options for DD2.

Ronathediva13 · 07/03/2026 10:13

Is the name Ava or Ava Rose?
I hate the trend for giving kids two first names. Nothing at all wrong with Rose as a middle name, but incorporating it into the first name makes her sound like a vacuous Love Island contestant. Also, maybe some people are still thinking of Rose West.

DeftGoldHedgehog · 07/03/2026 10:08

Is there hatred for it? It's such a lovely name. I thought I was being original by using Rose in 2005 (due to Rose Tyler in Dr Who!) and I think now and perhaps even then it was as commonly used as Jane or Louise in the 1970s. My middle name is Louise though and I still like it, even if both my cousins and half of my friends have it as a middle name! 😁 DD1 loves her middle name too.

Rachelsthorns · 07/03/2026 10:06

My DD has Rosina as a middle name, after her great grandmother.
You could also have Rosalie, Rosalind, Rosanne or Rosemary if you wanted a less common version of Rose.

RosesAndHellebores · 07/03/2026 10:03

VyeBrator · 07/03/2026 09:48

Yeah but they still go in and out of fashion, don't they?

For example 'May' is derived from 'Mary' which is one of the oldest names in the book.

It's now made a reappearance as a double barrel like 'Daisy-May', 'Lilly-May' etc.

In the same way that 'Amy-Rose' was very popular around 20 years ago.

You have entirely missed the point that the names to which you allude had no previous UK history and therefore had no history of being in and out of fashion.

I suppose it's a bit like the awful word yeah that presently seems fashionable although I don't think there's a previous history, except dialectical.

sharkstale · 07/03/2026 10:02

It's pretty but too common.

piscofrisco · 07/03/2026 09:54

HugoThatway · 07/03/2026 09:36

@piscofrisco , do you have a link to this Mae blossom, (the old English spelling of it) please?

It’s Hawthorne blossom -that was just was it was known as in days of yore :) that’s where the phrase ‘cast ne’er a clout til May be out’ comes from-basically don’t take your vest off until the Hawthorne blossoms Because that’s when winter is over.

VyeBrator · 07/03/2026 09:48

RosesAndHellebores · 07/03/2026 09:39

I'm not sure there were any Karens, Donnas, Sharons or Traceys dating back to the 15th Century and beyond.

Names like Rose, (derivative of Rosamund), Alice (often Alyce in the middle ages) Mary/Margaret (derivative May), Ann, Caroline, Eleanor, Catherine, Elizabeth, etc., have endured. Others of course have more patchy renaissance - Mabel, Edith, Hilda, Agnes, Maud.

Yeah but they still go in and out of fashion, don't they?

For example 'May' is derived from 'Mary' which is one of the oldest names in the book.

It's now made a reappearance as a double barrel like 'Daisy-May', 'Lilly-May' etc.

In the same way that 'Amy-Rose' was very popular around 20 years ago.

RosesAndHellebores · 07/03/2026 09:39

VyeBrator · 06/03/2026 22:39

It's the Donna/Karen/Sharon/Tracy of today.

But as with most names they tend to go in and out of fashion.

Nothing wrong with Rose, it's quite nice.

I'm not sure there were any Karens, Donnas, Sharons or Traceys dating back to the 15th Century and beyond.

Names like Rose, (derivative of Rosamund), Alice (often Alyce in the middle ages) Mary/Margaret (derivative May), Ann, Caroline, Eleanor, Catherine, Elizabeth, etc., have endured. Others of course have more patchy renaissance - Mabel, Edith, Hilda, Agnes, Maud.

HugoThatway · 07/03/2026 09:36

@piscofrisco , do you have a link to this Mae blossom, (the old English spelling of it) please?

TheBirdintheCave · 07/03/2026 09:29

Rose was my nanna and her mum and her great grandma etc etc. It’s my middle name after her and now it’s also my daughter’s middle name. The name has a huge significance to my family so I really dislike the assumption that Rose is always a boring filler name. No one’s ever said anything to me about it in real life though, only on Mumsnet 😅

Snugs10 · 07/03/2026 09:27

My take is that subconsciously we connect it with travellers or gypsies.

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