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Oisin / Donnacha / Naoise

105 replies

Bewildened · 26/10/2024 11:51

Which do you prefer?

Irish parents, baby will grow up in London.

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Bewildened · 26/10/2024 16:46

Babyboyno2 · 26/10/2024 13:28

Donnacha was on my list however it’s coming very popular here in NI. Love Naoise for a girl. Donnacha and Oisin are close tie

That’s interesting - I didn’t realise it was becoming more popular (probably a good thing!).

I appreciate that Donnacha isn’t the traditional spelling but it feels like a good compromise.

I think a lot of Irish boys’ names sound feminine to English ears - there are quite a few ending in “a” for example - but I don’t mind that at all.

OP posts:
Anotherusername11 · 26/10/2024 16:32

It’s often met with resistance when an Irish person in England chooses a traditional Irish name for their child. Comments about the potential for misspellings or mispronunciations underscore a lingering, if subtle, undercurrent of anti-Irish sentiment still present in English society.

No other minority seems to encounter quite the same challenges regarding names. In my experience with my son, who has an Irish name, once we clarify the pronunciation, people generally make an effort to pronounce it correctly. My son's name is Caoimhín. Much to the horror of my very English in laws, I'm raising him in the Irish language. My husband consequently, is picking up the language😁
OP, all three are beautiful names, use all three😃

Thulpelly · 26/10/2024 16:19

Naoise and Oisin are both lovely.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 26/10/2024 15:03

Sia8899 · 26/10/2024 13:58

Oisin is the only one I know how to pronounce as an English person and that's because I know the name Roisin. I also thought all three were girls' names. Obviously not a reason not to use them but just something to think about

Róisín and Oisín don't rhyme. There is an accent (called a fada) on the o in Róisín whereas there isn't in Oisín. Even if people leave the fada off in the spelling, it is still pronounced as if the fada was there.

JimNast · 26/10/2024 14:59

@BeatrizBoniface , I said Oisín and Niamh are Osian and Nia in Welsh.
The same story appears in Irish and Welsh mythology.

I've no idea if Naoise and Deirdre have Welsh equivalents.

I found this What is Naoise in Welsh? | Wales but it's complete bollocks.

BeatrizBoniface · 26/10/2024 14:57

JimNast · 26/10/2024 14:54

@BeatrizBoniface , Is Niamh the same as Naoise? No. Both are names from Irish mythology, but a bit like asking 'Is Othello the same as Olivia?'

No, it's not.
Nor did I suggest that.
I can see that I was somewhat confused by your post at 14.18.
I'm not surely why people are being so unpleasant on here, I have not been rude or unpleasant in any post.
No need. So I'm off.
Good luck with the naming, OP. They all seem like nice names.

JimNast · 26/10/2024 14:54

BeatrizBoniface · 26/10/2024 14:30

Is Niamh the same as Naoise? @JimNast ?

@BeatrizBoniface , Is Niamh the same as Naoise? No. Both are names from Irish mythology, but a bit like asking 'Is Othello the same as Olivia?'

BeatrizBoniface · 26/10/2024 14:51

PinkBlouse · 26/10/2024 14:49

How do you mean, the same? I can’t speak for Wales, but no, they’re completely different names, with completely different pronunciations. Niamh is a girls name. Naoise is used for both, but all the Naoises I know are male. Niam is, roughly ‘NEE-uv’. Naoise is roughly ‘NEE-shuh. Second syllable is a schwa in both.

I mean the same.
Because that was what @JimNast said, (at 14.18) and I didn't know that, so that's why I asked for clarification.

Moveoverdarlin · 26/10/2024 14:50

I assumed they were all girls names.

Enko · 26/10/2024 14:50

MissBattleaxe · 26/10/2024 11:59

I can't pronounce any of them and on that basis, since they're growing up in London, not Ireland, you may be giving them a lifetime of spelling their names and teaching everyone they meet how to pronounce it, forever.

My 20 year old likes that part of her Irish name.

PinkBlouse · 26/10/2024 14:49

BeatrizBoniface · 26/10/2024 14:30

Is Niamh the same as Naoise? @JimNast ?

How do you mean, the same? I can’t speak for Wales, but no, they’re completely different names, with completely different pronunciations. Niamh is a girls name. Naoise is used for both, but all the Naoises I know are male. Niam is, roughly ‘NEE-uv’. Naoise is roughly ‘NEE-shuh. Second syllable is a schwa in both.

Abhannmor · 26/10/2024 14:49

BeatrizBoniface · 26/10/2024 14:30

Is Niamh the same as Naoise? @JimNast ?

No. Niamh is a girl name. Naoise was a warrior / lover in the old legend Deirdre of the Sorrows.

Abhannmor · 26/10/2024 14:46

Oisín has a nice legend - where he is taken to the Land of Youth by Niamh the fairy queen.

Donnacha - couple of rugby players have the name.
Naoise - English people have decided it is a girls name so it might die out among boys? Like Beverly, Tara , etc. Though in fairness Tara is a place name so it is unisex I suppose.

GhostCicada · 26/10/2024 14:35

Oisín for me. Have known too many arsehole Donnachas and although Naoise is used by both boys and girls I only know girl Naoises so wouldn't calm a boy that.

BackSideMisty · 26/10/2024 14:32

Oisin is such a lovely name.

The world doesn’t need anymore Noahs and Olivers

BeatrizBoniface · 26/10/2024 14:30

Is Niamh the same as Naoise? @JimNast ?

Nordione1 · 26/10/2024 14:26

I have a foreign name which no one ever gets right. I have to spell it out and often people confuse part of it with my surname. I've always loved it though as no one else has it and am perfectly used to spelling out and explaining my name every single time. My brother however was very relieved that he was given a name that people in the UK have no trouble with, but he's a boy and he's less tolerant.

JimNast · 26/10/2024 14:18

@IkaBaar , Oisín and Niamh are Osian (OSH-ann) and Nia (NEE-ah) in Welsh.

On here, it's perfectly OK to use any name you like and say it an way you like, as long as you don't insist on the original pronunciation.

PinkBlouse · 26/10/2024 14:16

DS (born in London) was almost Naoise. It’s gorgeous.

usernother · 26/10/2024 14:15

@MiddleParking Even if we accept the premise that the thread was aimed at you personally (that isn’t how the internet works btw), you still didn’t answer that question. You decided to show yourself up as ignorant and unpleasant instead.

No, I didn't. The thread wasn't aimed at you personally either. My answer wasn't aimed at you personally. But here you are, spreading joy and love with your sunny personality.

Snugglemonkey · 26/10/2024 14:13

I love them all. My favourite is Oisín. If I had a boy,that would be his name.

MiddleParking · 26/10/2024 14:13

usernother · 26/10/2024 14:10

@MiddleParking
No one was looking for you to help them. You’re not important.

But the OP was asking which one I preferred. I gave my answer and my reasons. Thanks for your kind words though Grin

Even if we accept the premise that the thread was aimed at you personally (that isn’t how the internet works btw), you still didn’t answer that question. You decided to show yourself up as ignorant and unpleasant instead.

AgileGreenSeal · 26/10/2024 14:11

Oisín
and please keep the fada.
comhghairdeas!

Arlanymor · 26/10/2024 14:11

IkaBaar · 26/10/2024 14:08

Isn’t Osian the Welsh version? I know a Welsh version also in London. His parents’ worry was he might get called Ocean!!

Osian is the Welsh version.

Personally I think it's a bit nuts to choose names based on where you are living - I had Nigerian neighbours when I lived in London... would you expect them to call their kids Rosie and Jim? Spoiler alert: they didn't! Names are a really good way to get insight into another culture - those who talk about bullying (and bear in mind I grew up in a place where no one could pronounce my very easy Welsh name) should maybe think about the other side of the coin.

Grepes · 26/10/2024 14:11

Bewildened · 26/10/2024 13:58

Naoise is a boy’s name - he is the hero/Deirdre’s lover in Deirdre of the sorrows - a famous Irish legend.

I’ve heard it used for girls but that doesn’t change the fact that it is historically a male name.

Apologies! I have only ever heard it as a girl’s name. I know three women called Naoise and had no clue it was traditionally a male name. Good to know!