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How would you pronounce Zana ?

438 replies

RoseApp · 18/09/2024 18:38

My friend assumed people would pronounce her child’s name Zana like Zah-nah as in Suzanna but several people have pronounced it as Zar-na

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NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 21:42

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:39

Zana is Zana (short).
They can change the a sound/emphasis by adding different letters.

…you are aware that other cultures/countries/ethnicities/regions and so on have different accents and dialects to you right?

People don’t have to add letters to things because you wilfully choose to ignore them. 100% you would pronounce my name because it has the ‘r/are/(c)ar sound that we are discussing without any extra letters. But it’s my name, which I was christened with and it’s up to my parents and now me how it’s pronounced, not someone who has decided that the pronounciationnis incorrect because it doesn’t fit in with their view. I could never tell an Irish person that Maebh should actually have a b sound rather than a v sound.

The world isn’t according to you.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:42

OnlyWhenILaugh · 18/09/2024 21:37

So explain to me why you think the vowel sounds in the words cat and cart are different?

It's the same vowel sound but cart has an r sound after the vowel and cat doesn't.

shoopshoopdedoo · 18/09/2024 21:42

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:40

An elogated a never needs the letter r.

🙄

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:40

BarbaraVineFan · 18/09/2024 21:39

You are missing the words 'to me'. This is why you are getting everyone's backs up, @rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou , because you are presenting something which is true for you as something which is a universal truth.

An elogated a never needs the letter r.

carly2803 · 18/09/2024 21:40

Z - anna

anna with a z in front

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:39

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 21:33

But aa doesn't work as we don't know if it's ay, ah etc. I wouldn't have expected people to know what I meant by putting Zaana. To me that just sounds like I'm meaning Zanna.

Zana is Zana (short).
They can change the a sound/emphasis by adding different letters.

BarbaraVineFan · 18/09/2024 21:39

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:36

R doesn't convey a long vowel.
I understand some people think it does.

You are missing the words 'to me'. This is why you are getting everyone's backs up, @rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou , because you are presenting something which is true for you as something which is a universal truth.

Chillimuma · 18/09/2024 21:38

To rhyme with Anna

OnlyWhenILaugh · 18/09/2024 21:37

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:36

R doesn't convey a long vowel.
I understand some people think it does.

So explain to me why you think the vowel sounds in the words cat and cart are different?

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:36

HotCrossBunplease · 18/09/2024 21:33

So what is the difference between. “All of this” and “r conveys a long vowel”?

R doesn't convey a long vowel.
I understand some people think it does.

HotCrossBunplease · 18/09/2024 21:33

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:32

I understand all of this.

So what is the difference between. “All of this” and “r conveys a long vowel”?

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 21:33

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:26

The sound doesn't need to be exaggerated at all, however if they insist then another a would be best (aa).

But aa doesn't work as we don't know if it's ay, ah etc. I wouldn't have expected people to know what I meant by putting Zaana. To me that just sounds like I'm meaning Zanna.

OnlyWhenILaugh · 18/09/2024 21:32

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:32

I understand all of this.

So what point are you trying to make?

HotCrossBunplease · 18/09/2024 21:32

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:23

It doesn't 'convey a long vowel' though, that's the point. 🫣

It’s your point, and your point alone because literally everyone else on this thread understands that it does.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:32

OnlyWhenILaugh · 18/09/2024 21:27

It features in digraphs and has the function of changing the vowel e.g.
Cat Cart
Ten Tern
Bon born

In a rhotic accent you would hear the 'r' sound after the vowel. In a non rhotic accent you wouldn't. But the use of the 'r' in the spelling of the words changes the vowel sound

Edited

I understand all of this.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:31

BarbaraVineFan · 18/09/2024 21:29

@rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou please can you read my post above from 20:26 which explains this exact point. It DOES convey a long vowel sound to non-rhotic speakers.

I've read it.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:30

GoldenNuggets08 · 18/09/2024 21:12

I'm Irish and Bath is pronounced like Bat where I'm from because we don't pronounce our "th"s... but we also don't pronounce our Ts very often either so some people would just pronounce it bah! 🙏🤣🤣

How dare you?
Nah, Irish accents are often lovely - though I sometimes struggle iftheysometimesspeakfartoofast. 😁

BarbaraVineFan · 18/09/2024 21:29

@rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou please can you read my post above from 20:26 which explains this exact point. It DOES convey a long vowel sound to non-rhotic speakers.

OnlyWhenILaugh · 18/09/2024 21:27

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:23

It doesn't 'convey a long vowel' though, that's the point. 🫣

It features in digraphs and has the function of changing the vowel e.g.
Cat Cart
Ten Tern
Bon born

In a rhotic accent you would hear the 'r' sound after the vowel. In a non rhotic accent you wouldn't. But the use of the 'r' in the spelling of the words changes the vowel sound

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:27

GoldenNuggets08 · 18/09/2024 21:19

How many seconds would people need to pronounce the aaaaaaaaaaaaa / aaaaahhhhh / aaaaaaaaaarrrrrr sound though 😅

Those are 3 seperate sounds to me.....😵‍💫

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:26

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 20:49

So they're fine to add an h, just not an r? You keep saying there doesn't need to be a letter added but you have to add something to exaggerate the sound.

The sound doesn't need to be exaggerated at all, however if they insist then another a would be best (aa).

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 21:23

I've spent the past 30 mins sitting here gurning away, looking like I've lost the plot, whilst I've been pronouncing all these words in my head 😳

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:23

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It doesn't 'convey a long vowel' though, that's the point. 🫣

GoldenNuggets08 · 18/09/2024 21:19

ShillyShallySherbet · 18/09/2024 21:16

I wish there was a setting on mumsnet to record little voice notes so I could hear all these amazing different pronunciations!

How many seconds would people need to pronounce the aaaaaaaaaaaaa / aaaaahhhhh / aaaaaaaaaarrrrrr sound though 😅

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 21:19

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/NvcAExVYmLc

For anyone confused, watch this! He explain very well the north-south divide using ‘bath’

Before you continue to YouTube

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/NvcAExVYmLc

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