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How would you pronounce Zana ?

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RoseApp · 18/09/2024 18:38

My friend assumed people would pronounce her child’s name Zana like Zah-nah as in Suzanna but several people have pronounced it as Zar-na

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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:06

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 22:01

So you’re telling Australians that they speak incorrectly? Because that’s how they pronounce bath etc? And New Zealanders? And half of America too, they’re all wrong? Because it seems pretty universal to me…

Wales is as far from me as some northern parts of England, how come they’re allowed to talk differently but we’re not? How come Mancunians can speak so differently to Liverpudlians? Thats all cool but we can’t have this part of our accent?
Honestly your attitude is embarrassing.

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Are you deliberately misreading?
Speak how you like.
Don't write any a sound as ar because* *the sound is not universally pronounced.
Zana should not have any indication of an r. It's Zana not Zarna.

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 22:06

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:04

No, not exactly.
Cart has an r.
Cat doesn't.
Zana also doesn't.

You're either yanking our chain or perhaps there's more going on here? You're taking everything far too literally than is usual.

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 22:05

JustDeserts · 18/09/2024 22:04

*Wales is as far from me as some northern parts of England, how come they’re allowed to talk differently but we’re not? Because they have their own language.

When they’re talking English, that’s what we’re discussing. And actually, areas such as East Anglia used to have their own language too, they just lost it quicker than the Welsh.m
A lot of Welsh people cannot speak Welsh Gaelic, but they retain their accent. The East Anglian’s are more than welcome to do the same, including if it’s the ‘ar’ sound.

JustDeserts · 18/09/2024 22:04

*Wales is as far from me as some northern parts of England, how come they’re allowed to talk differently but we’re not? Because they have their own language.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:04

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 22:01

Exactly! And the sound that the ar makes in cart is the sound people are trying to replicate when saying zarna.

If I put caat nobody is going to think I mean cart. Just as if I put zaana nobody is going to hear what I want them to.

No, not exactly.
Cart has an r.
Cat doesn't.
Zana also doesn't.

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 22:01

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:56

It's wrong to convey a long a as ar, if you're speaking English (wherever you're from).
I don't care how they speak, just don't use r to emphasise an aa sound because r isn't universally pronounced.

So you’re telling Australians that they speak incorrectly? Because that’s how they pronounce bath etc? And New Zealanders? And half of America too, they’re all wrong? Because it seems pretty universal to me…

Wales is as far from me as some northern parts of England, how come they’re allowed to talk differently but we’re not? How come Mancunians can speak so differently to Liverpudlians? Thats all cool but we can’t have this part of our accent?
Honestly your attitude is embarrassing.

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 22:01

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:42

It's the same vowel sound but cart has an r sound after the vowel and cat doesn't.

Exactly! And the sound that the ar makes in cart is the sound people are trying to replicate when saying zarna.

If I put caat nobody is going to think I mean cart. Just as if I put zaana nobody is going to hear what I want them to.

BarbaraHoward · 18/09/2024 21:59

ShillyShallySherbet · 18/09/2024 20:52

I don’t think I really have an accent, I’ve moved around a lot. But the word bath I would say barth, I don’t think it’s that unusual.

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🤣🤣🤣

Everyone has an accent. And a non-rhotic accent is really very strong as it's such an outlier globally.

OnlyWhenILaugh · 18/09/2024 21:59

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:56

It's wrong to convey a long a as ar, if you're speaking English (wherever you're from).
I don't care how they speak, just don't use r to emphasise an aa sound because r isn't universally pronounced.

The pronunciation of the r is irrelevant.
It changes the vowel sound in written English in certain digraphs.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:58

OnlyWhenILaugh · 18/09/2024 21:55

international phonetic alphabet
kɑːt cart
kæt cat
Same initial and final consonants but different vowel sounds
@rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou

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I pronounced the a sound similarly but yes, one is slightly longer. Adding the r makes a significant difference too.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:56

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 21:49

They’re only adding it to show you how we pronounce it. People are tried a million ways to show you that’s the pronunciation that comes with a particular accent.

People have accents and dialects. The ‘r’ is to try and convey the way we talk. That’s it.
mobile is adding an r to anything, it’s just how we talk!! People talk differently and it’s really fucking cool that we do. But none of us have told you that you’re wrong for your pronunciation but you are hell bent on telling those of us that speak differently to you how wrong we are!!

Would you tell a Welsh, Irish or Scottish person they’re wrong? How about someone from an English-speaking country that isn’t the U.K? Or is it purely because it’s a southern accent?

It's wrong to convey a long a as ar, if you're speaking English (wherever you're from).
I don't care how they speak, just don't use r to emphasise an aa sound because r isn't universally pronounced.

OnlyWhenILaugh · 18/09/2024 21:55

international phonetic alphabet
kɑːt cart
kæt cat
Same initial and final consonants but different vowel sounds
@rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou

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NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 21:49

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:45

I'm not ignoring anything though, folk are adding a letter to make it read differently than it is written. 🫣

They’re only adding it to show you how we pronounce it. People are tried a million ways to show you that’s the pronunciation that comes with a particular accent.

People have accents and dialects. The ‘r’ is to try and convey the way we talk. That’s it.
mobile is adding an r to anything, it’s just how we talk!! People talk differently and it’s really fucking cool that we do. But none of us have told you that you’re wrong for your pronunciation but you are hell bent on telling those of us that speak differently to you how wrong we are!!

Would you tell a Welsh, Irish or Scottish person they’re wrong? How about someone from an English-speaking country that isn’t the U.K? Or is it purely because it’s a southern accent?

OnlyWhenILaugh · 18/09/2024 21:49

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:42

It's the same vowel sound but cart has an r sound after the vowel and cat doesn't.

That is quite simply not so.

If I were to transcribe any speaker saying cat and cart I would use a different phonetic symbol for the 2 vowel sounds.

If they speak with a rhotic accent that would be included after the vowel.

But absolutely no English speaker would say cat and cart with the same vowel sound.

HotCrossBunplease · 18/09/2024 21:48

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:45

I'm not ignoring anything though, folk are adding a letter to make it read differently than it is written. 🫣

The whole thread is about how people do not know how to read a name as it is written.

Can you explain how to describe, in writing, the various possible pronunciations of the name without adding, removing or substituting any letters?

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:46

HotCrossBunplease · 18/09/2024 21:43

Regardless of what you think, “r” is being used by the writers to convey a long vowel.

You know full well that it is not being used to convey a rolled “r” sound.

What if the writers had said “I am going to use 💩to convey a long vowel”, then written “Z 💩na”, b💩th and gir💩ffe. Would that work better for you?

I know what it's being used for.
It doesn't convey that though. 🫣

BarbaraVineFan · 18/09/2024 21:46

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shoopshoopdedoo · 18/09/2024 21:46

I just can’t.
(Pronounced carn’t).

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:45

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 21:42

…you are aware that other cultures/countries/ethnicities/regions and so on have different accents and dialects to you right?

People don’t have to add letters to things because you wilfully choose to ignore them. 100% you would pronounce my name because it has the ‘r/are/(c)ar sound that we are discussing without any extra letters. But it’s my name, which I was christened with and it’s up to my parents and now me how it’s pronounced, not someone who has decided that the pronounciationnis incorrect because it doesn’t fit in with their view. I could never tell an Irish person that Maebh should actually have a b sound rather than a v sound.

The world isn’t according to you.

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I'm not ignoring anything though, folk are adding a letter to make it read differently than it is written. 🫣

DinaofCloud9 · 18/09/2024 21:44

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I said earlier to her that I thought she was pranking the rest of us. But I’m starting to think she possibly is that arrogant/ignorant.

HotCrossBunplease · 18/09/2024 21:43

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:36

R doesn't convey a long vowel.
I understand some people think it does.

Regardless of what you think, “r” is being used by the writers to convey a long vowel.

You know full well that it is not being used to convey a rolled “r” sound.

What if the writers had said “I am going to use 💩to convey a long vowel”, then written “Z 💩na”, b💩th and gir💩ffe. Would that work better for you?

BarbaraVineFan · 18/09/2024 21:43

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