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How would you pronounce Zana ?

438 replies

RoseApp · 18/09/2024 18:38

My friend assumed people would pronounce her child’s name Zana like Zah-nah as in Suzanna but several people have pronounced it as Zar-na

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HotCrossBunplease · 18/09/2024 22:20

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:17

Exactly - half the people.
That excludes another half.

Nope. As has been made abundantly clear, even most rhotic speakers know what the non-rhotics are getting at when they use this method. Including you, from the get-go, I strongly suspect.

BarbaraHoward · 18/09/2024 22:20

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:16

Aa isn't perfect, I agree.
It's much less confusing than ar though.

In fairness, @rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou may be a dog with a bone on this thread but she's not wrong here. Rhotic accents are the norm, so it's no surprise that using an R (that's an oar, not an arr Wink) to denote a long vowel causes this argument. Every. Bloody. Time.

It's quite an insular or narrow minded usage IMO.

BarbaraHoward · 18/09/2024 22:20

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:16

Aa isn't perfect, I agree.
It's much less confusing than ar though.

In fairness, @rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou may be a dog with a bone on this thread but she's not wrong here. Rhotic accents are the norm, so it's no surprise that using an R (that's an oar, not an arr Wink) to denote a long vowel causes this argument. Every. Bloody. Time.

It's quite an insular or narrow minded usage IMO.

BrieHugger · 18/09/2024 22:19

Fun fact. It is easier to teach basic phonics to young children up north, than it is down south.

Repeat after me: bad, ban, bat, bash, bath.

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 22:19

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:17

Exactly - half the people.
That excludes another half.

Which is why people also tried other variants to explain it you. Different ways to make it clear. Most people seem to have picked it up, a few have even commented how fascinating it all is. Not you though, you just seem determined to tell us all how wrong we are for describing something in a way that makes automatic sense to us because you don’t like it. But we did try. For you.

OnlyWhenILaugh · 18/09/2024 22:19

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:14

That's the point - r can be pronounced differently so doesn't actually help clarify anything.

I missed how you would prefer to convey the long a vowel sound?

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:17

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 22:16

Not for half the people on this thread who have understood it perfectly?

Exactly - half the people.
That excludes another half.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:17

HotCrossBunplease · 18/09/2024 22:15

How dare you. My insults are excellent.

I've not seen any good insults on this thread but I'm sure you also have other outlets for insults.

XiCi · 18/09/2024 22:16

Flossyts · 18/09/2024 18:42

zaynah or zarnah. Definitely not like suzanna

Same

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 22:16

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:16

Aa isn't perfect, I agree.
It's much less confusing than ar though.

Not for half the people on this thread who have understood it perfectly?

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:16

HotCrossBunplease · 18/09/2024 22:14

Where did you get your degree in linguistics?

The only “correct” method is to use the IPA. Your favoured “aa” is also “incorrect”.

Aa isn't perfect, I agree.
It's much less confusing than ar though.

HotCrossBunplease · 18/09/2024 22:15

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:12

They can choose it, of course.
It's incorrect though.

I'm not upset.
I'm not the one swearing.
I'm not the one making bad insults.

Edited

How dare you. My insults are excellent.

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 22:15

JustDeserts · 18/09/2024 22:11

@NoUseForAN4me , Welsh Gaelic? WTF is that?

I thought it was a form of Gaelic. I apologise, seems it’s a Brittonic language.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:14

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 22:13

Because you keep saying there's no r in this and no r in that. We KNOW there isn't physically an r in these words but some people are using the r to make a certain sound. The letter r turns an a into the sound we want people to hear, so to make sure they're understanding that sound, we add a letter to put this across.

That's the point - r can be pronounced differently so doesn't actually help clarify anything.

HotCrossBunplease · 18/09/2024 22:14

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:12

They can choose it, of course.
It's incorrect though.

I'm not upset.
I'm not the one swearing.
I'm not the one making bad insults.

Edited

Where did you get your degree in linguistics?

The only “correct” method is to use the IPA. Your favoured “aa” is also “incorrect”.

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 22:13

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:07

Too literally? Explain please.

Because you keep saying there's no r in this and no r in that. We KNOW there isn't physically an r in these words but some people are using the r to make a certain sound. The letter r turns an a into the sound we want people to hear, so to make sure they're understanding that sound, we add a letter to put this across.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:12

HotCrossBunplease · 18/09/2024 22:11

If a non-rhotic speaker chooses to use “r” to convey a long vowel they are not wrong, they are just using a method which risks being misunderstood by some rhotic speakers. Perhaps they don’t give a fuck about rhotic speakers getting confused. That makes them rude and inconsiderate, but not wrong.

You can choose to get all upset about this and communicate your view by pretending to be really stupid and whining “but there is no “r” in the word” on a loop for hours and hours. But that’s quite offensive to people like me who took your “I don’t understand” at face value and spent time explaining.

As a rhotic speaker myself, but one who is interested in language, I can easily work out what they mean even though it’s not a method I myself would use. I’m sorry you are more interested in being “right” than in talking about language in a grown-up way.

They can choose it, of course.
It's incorrect though.

I'm not upset.
I'm not the one swearing.
I'm not the one making bad insults.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:12

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 22:10

I give up. People have explained to you in a million different ways and you have refuted every one. Your argument has changed a million times so who knows what you’re actually attempting to say now.

I’m done.

People have explained why they think it's correct.
It isn't correct.

HotCrossBunplease · 18/09/2024 22:11

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 21:56

It's wrong to convey a long a as ar, if you're speaking English (wherever you're from).
I don't care how they speak, just don't use r to emphasise an aa sound because r isn't universally pronounced.

If a non-rhotic speaker chooses to use “r” to convey a long vowel they are not wrong, they are just using a method which risks being misunderstood by some rhotic speakers. Perhaps they don’t give a fuck about rhotic speakers getting confused. That makes them rude and inconsiderate, but not wrong.

You can choose to get all upset about this and communicate your view by pretending to be really stupid and whining “but there is no “r” in the word” on a loop for hours and hours. But that’s quite offensive to people like me who took your “I don’t understand” at face value and spent time explaining.

As a rhotic speaker myself, but one who is interested in language, I can easily work out what they mean even though it’s not a method I myself would use. I’m sorry you are more interested in being “right” than in talking about language in a grown-up way.

JustDeserts · 18/09/2024 22:11

@NoUseForAN4me , Welsh Gaelic? WTF is that?

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 22:10

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:09

Don't write any extended a sound as r, or Zana as Zarna, because it explains absolutely nothing. That's the whole point. I wasn't suggesting people are actually spelling it that way.

I give up. People have explained to you in a million different ways and you have refuted every one. Your argument has changed a million times so who knows what you’re actually attempting to say now.

I’m done.

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:09

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 22:07

No one writes it’s as Zarna!!! Everyone was writing that for YOUR benefit to show how we would say it!!!

Don't write any extended a sound as r, or Zana as Zarna, because it explains absolutely nothing. That's the whole point. I wasn't suggesting people are actually spelling it that way.

cheapskatemum · 18/09/2024 22:08

SkaneTos · 18/09/2024 18:46

I would pronouce it "Zah-na"

Not like "zanna" in Suzanna, that has 2 ns, Zana has 1.

This

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:07

CellophaneFlower · 18/09/2024 22:06

You're either yanking our chain or perhaps there's more going on here? You're taking everything far too literally than is usual.

Too literally? Explain please.

NoUseForAN4me · 18/09/2024 22:07

rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou · 18/09/2024 22:06

Are you deliberately misreading?
Speak how you like.
Don't write any a sound as ar because* *the sound is not universally pronounced.
Zana should not have any indication of an r. It's Zana not Zarna.

No one writes it’s as Zarna!!! Everyone was writing that for YOUR benefit to show how we would say it!!!

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