I will post the link I posted earlier as a demonstration of how I pronounce bath. It doesn’t have an aa or an ah sound to me.
m.youtube.com/shorts/NvcAExVYmLc
rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou ·
18/09/2024 22:29
Your pronunciation of Bath presumably adds some sort of r sound?
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NoUseForAN4me ·
18/09/2024 22:21
…..ok. Sure.
But aa isn’t either. And nor is ah. Because ar, aa, and ah are all different sounds and neither ah not aa fit my pronunciation of bath.
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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou ·
18/09/2024 22:20
They tried to explain why r is appropriate, it isn't.
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NoUseForAN4me ·
18/09/2024 22:19
Which is why people also tried other variants to explain it you. Different ways to make it clear. Most people seem to have picked it up, a few have even commented how fascinating it all is. Not you though, you just seem determined to tell us all how wrong we are for describing something in a way that makes automatic sense to us because you don’t like it. But we did try. For you.
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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou ·
18/09/2024 22:17
Exactly - half the people.
That excludes another half.
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NoUseForAN4me ·
18/09/2024 22:16
Not for half the people on this thread who have understood it perfectly?
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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou ·
18/09/2024 22:16
Aa isn't perfect, I agree.
It's much less confusing than ar though.
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HotCrossBunplease ·
18/09/2024 22:14
Where did you get your degree in linguistics?
The only “correct” method is to use the IPA. Your favoured “aa” is also “incorrect”.
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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou ·
18/09/2024 22:12
They can choose it, of course.
It's incorrect though.
I'm not upset.
I'm not the one swearing.
I'm not the one making bad insults.
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HotCrossBunplease ·
18/09/2024 22:11
If a non-rhotic speaker chooses to use “r” to convey a long vowel they are not wrong, they are just using a method which risks being misunderstood by some rhotic speakers. Perhaps they don’t give a fuck about rhotic speakers getting confused. That makes them rude and inconsiderate, but not wrong.
You can choose to get all upset about this and communicate your view by pretending to be really stupid and whining “but there is no “r” in the word” on a loop for hours and hours. But that’s quite offensive to people like me who took your “I don’t understand” at face value and spent time explaining.
As a rhotic speaker myself, but one who is interested in language, I can easily work out what they mean even though it’s not a method I myself would use. I’m sorry you are more interested in being “right” than in talking about language in a grown-up way.
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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou ·
18/09/2024 21:56
It's wrong to convey a long a as ar, if you're speaking English (wherever you're from).
I don't care how they speak, just don't use r to emphasise an aa sound because r isn't universally pronounced.
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NoUseForAN4me ·
18/09/2024 21:49
They’re only adding it to show you how we pronounce it. People are tried a million ways to show you that’s the pronunciation that comes with a particular accent.
People have accents and dialects. The ‘r’ is to try and convey the way we talk. That’s it.
mobile is adding an r to anything, it’s just how we talk!! People talk differently and it’s really fucking cool that we do. But none of us have told you that you’re wrong for your pronunciation but you are hell bent on telling those of us that speak differently to you how wrong we are!!
Would you tell a Welsh, Irish or Scottish person they’re wrong? How about someone from an English-speaking country that isn’t the U.K? Or is it purely because it’s a southern accent?
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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou ·
18/09/2024 21:45
I'm not ignoring anything though, folk are adding a letter to make it read differently than it is written. 🫣
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NoUseForAN4me ·
18/09/2024 21:42
…you are aware that other cultures/countries/ethnicities/regions and so on have different accents and dialects to you right?
People don’t have to add letters to things because you wilfully choose to ignore them. 100% you would pronounce my name because it has the ‘r/are/(c)ar sound that we are discussing without any extra letters. But it’s my name, which I was christened with and it’s up to my parents and now me how it’s pronounced, not someone who has decided that the pronounciationnis incorrect because it doesn’t fit in with their view. I could never tell an Irish person that Maebh should actually have a b sound rather than a v sound.
The world isn’t according to you.
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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou ·
18/09/2024 21:39
Zana is Zana (short).
They can change the a sound/emphasis by adding different letters.
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CellophaneFlower ·
18/09/2024 21:33
But aa doesn't work as we don't know if it's ay, ah etc. I wouldn't have expected people to know what I meant by putting Zaana. To me that just sounds like I'm meaning Zanna.
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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou ·
18/09/2024 21:26
The sound doesn't need to be exaggerated at all, however if they insist then another a would be best (aa).
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CellophaneFlower ·
18/09/2024 20:49
So they're fine to add an h, just not an r? You keep saying there doesn't need to be a letter added but you have to add something to exaggerate the sound.
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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou ·
18/09/2024 20:44
To exaggerate what sound though?
If they want to exaggerate the a do that, no need to add an r!
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CellophaneFlower ·
18/09/2024 20:41
Yes but people put the r to exaggerate the sound. Perhaps it doesn't work in your accent, but it does in ours. I put ah when I posted but I can see why others have used r. It's really not that deep.
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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou ·
18/09/2024 20:38
It's not pronounced ar though, it's ah. That is the point!
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NoUseForAN4me ·
18/09/2024 20:29
Because it’s pronounced like ‘are’ not ahhhh. So people are using an ‘r’ to try and explain this.
Don’t would be pronounced Z-are-na
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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou ·
18/09/2024 20:26
Some folk are saying they actually pronounce an r sound though.
I can understand the extended a.
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napody ·
18/09/2024 20:23
In non rhotic accents we don't actually say the r separately. We just say a long 'aaa' sound. Like at the doctors when you're a kid- 'say aaaaah'!
People using their own versions of phonetic spellings has created a load of confusion on this thread, so to increase it, I'd say Zaaahna 😂
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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou ·
18/09/2024 20:19
Why are people adding an r that isn't there?
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NoUseForAN4me ·
18/09/2024 20:18
How bizarre, on tv show I watch a particular character is called Lana it’s pronounced Larna and my friend is called Jana and she pronounces it Jarna.
Guess different pronunciations. I’ve never heard then pronounced any other way personally.
Oh and we also pronounce it ‘Barth’ and grarss’. Just like most people do where I live.
Languages and accents are complex, and the English language has a lot of silent letters and words which are spelled the same but pronounced differently.
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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou ·
18/09/2024 19:49
La-na, Ja-na, definitely not Lar-na or Jar-na. There is no r!
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NoUseForAN4me ·
18/09/2024 19:35
but Lana and Jana are pronounced with an R sound? Or have I misunderstood your post?
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rosesareredvioletsareblueaimverytiredandsoareyou ·
18/09/2024 19:23
It needs an r to be ZaRna though.
It's possible to get the 'anna' sound with one n e.g. Lana, Jana, Tana.
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Mikunia ·
18/09/2024 19:06
This. It needs a double consonant to achieve the pronunciation your friend wants, in English.
SnapdragonToadflax ·
18/09/2024 18:55
Probably Zar-na? I'm southern. It would need to be spelled Zanna to get your friend's pronunciation.