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Babyboyno2 · 2024-09-05T13:31:51+00:00

Got this into my top 3. Just curious of how people would pronounce it, is it “REE-ON”

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Coffeeatthelocalmarket · 22/09/2024 14:51

Just checked the CSO baby names site and there have been a few over the years with a high of 18 in 2012, but it's rare. Even in 2012 it was ranked 267th in popularity.

Coffeeatthelocalmarket · 22/09/2024 14:36

I've never heard of Callan used as a first name to be honest. Only as a surname and the name of a town (in Co Kilkenny).

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Babyboyno2 · 22/09/2024 12:00

Thoughts on Callan “Cal-an” online says Irish and Scottish name and it’s simple to pronounce, really liking it atm

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Coffeeatthelocalmarket · 12/09/2024 09:04

PuddingAunt · 12/09/2024 08:54

I don't think ái is always pronounced like in Máire.
Sometimes the i is only there to make the consonant slender and it doesn't affect the vowel.
bán (blank/ white)
báine (blankness/whiteness)

I think Learner Dialect exaggerates the effects of the consonant changes on the vowel. It's not as if it's not possible to say Dáithí as "Daa-hyee".
(Apologies to non-pedants.)

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I think it was a pp said Dáithi would be pronounced like Máire if there were a fada on the a, not me @PuddingAunt.

i don't think they'd sound the same, and agree not all vowels are there to be pronounced as such, but there is a difference between á and a usually - though á doesn't make the 'aw' sound in Ulster that it does in Connacht and Munster anyway. So it depends where you are too.

BarbaraHoward · 12/09/2024 08:57

PuddingAunt · 12/09/2024 08:54

I don't think ái is always pronounced like in Máire.
Sometimes the i is only there to make the consonant slender and it doesn't affect the vowel.
bán (blank/ white)
báine (blankness/whiteness)

I think Learner Dialect exaggerates the effects of the consonant changes on the vowel. It's not as if it's not possible to say Dáithí as "Daa-hyee".
(Apologies to non-pedants.)

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The fada would make it daw-hee rather than doh-hee though surely. (Doh as in the start of dot, approximately, rather than dough.)

PuddingAunt · 12/09/2024 08:54

Coffeeatthelocalmarket · 12/09/2024 07:37

Some do spell it Dáithí. Dáithí Ó Sé does for one, and he's a from a Gaeltacht area. The pronunciation seems to match the no fada spelling better though, or at least the local pronunciation where I am does.

Daire is mostly spelt without a fada now in my experience, and that matches the usual pronunciation, but the name did have a fada in Old Irish and some people do still use it.

I don't think ái is always pronounced like in Máire.
Sometimes the i is only there to make the consonant slender and it doesn't affect the vowel.
bán (blank/ white)
báine (blankness/whiteness)

I think Learner Dialect exaggerates the effects of the consonant changes on the vowel. It's not as if it's not possible to say Dáithí as "Daa-hyee".
(Apologies to non-pedants.)

Coffeeatthelocalmarket · 12/09/2024 07:37

Some do spell it Dáithí. Dáithí Ó Sé does for one, and he's a from a Gaeltacht area. The pronunciation seems to match the no fada spelling better though, or at least the local pronunciation where I am does.

Daire is mostly spelt without a fada now in my experience, and that matches the usual pronunciation, but the name did have a fada in Old Irish and some people do still use it.

PuddingAunt · 12/09/2024 07:08

mathanxiety · 11/09/2024 20:34

Yes, no fada on either A there.

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Lots of historic mentions of Dáire.
St Patrick was given land by one.

There is also Daighre, and Dathal.

mathanxiety · 11/09/2024 20:34

BarbaraHoward · 10/09/2024 17:28

Daithí is lovely, but doesn't need the fada on the A. That would make it doy-hee, like Máire.

Also, no fada in Daire I don't think, although I'm more familiar with Dara. Dara or Darragh would be by far the easiest to pronounce of the names you've listed.

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Yes, no fada on either A there.

PuddingAunt · 11/09/2024 18:38

I slightly prefer Rian.
Ríán is legit spelling but hassly.

stanleypops66 · 10/09/2024 18:29

does anyone find “Dáithí” hard to pronounce also?
liking Dáithí and Dáire/Darragh

^
They're very easy to say, and more common.

BarbaraHoward · 10/09/2024 18:09

Babyboyno2 · 10/09/2024 18:01

@BarbaraHoward yeah makes sense. That’s crazy. Seen one on dáire too? I would hate to register a child with wrong fada placement etc so thanks for letting me know!

Don't quote me on Daire, I'm very far from a native speaker. Start a thread with the names in the title and someone more knowledgeable will come along.

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Babyboyno2 · 10/09/2024 18:01

@BarbaraHoward yeah makes sense. That’s crazy. Seen one on dáire too? I would hate to register a child with wrong fada placement etc so thanks for letting me know!

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BarbaraHoward · 10/09/2024 17:34

Babyboyno2 · 10/09/2024 17:32

@BarbaraHoward oh really! Anyone I know has the fada on the a so I just assumed it was correct

There's a lot of incorrect fadas in NI. 🙈 It's because people don't learn the language formally. I think fadas are seen as a matter of identity, rather than spelling. If that makes any sense at all.

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Babyboyno2 · 10/09/2024 17:32

@BarbaraHoward oh really! Anyone I know has the fada on the a so I just assumed it was correct

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BarbaraHoward · 10/09/2024 17:28

Babyboyno2 · 10/09/2024 15:47

does anyone find “Dáithí” hard to pronounce also?
liking Dáithí and Dáire/Darragh

Daithí is lovely, but doesn't need the fada on the A. That would make it doy-hee, like Máire.

Also, no fada in Daire I don't think, although I'm more familiar with Dara. Dara or Darragh would be by far the easiest to pronounce of the names you've listed.

Viviennemary · 10/09/2024 16:55

Wouldn't even attempt to pronounce it.

Createausernametoday · 10/09/2024 16:53

Couldn’t tell you as no idea how it’s pronounced tbh

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Babyboyno2 · 10/09/2024 15:47

does anyone find “Dáithí” hard to pronounce also?
liking Dáithí and Dáire/Darragh

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dizzydizzydizzy · 06/09/2024 13:50

I would literally have no idea how to pronounce this even rhougb I went to a school full of of Irish kids (in England)

Coffeeatthelocalmarket · 06/09/2024 13:17

KirstenBlest · 06/09/2024 12:36

What happens IRL is that you say Caitriona and the other person hears Katreena or Cat-ree-O-na.

Wouldn't happen where people know the name and how it sounds.
Cat-ree-(uh)-na seems easy enough once you know.

I suspect that Ríona would get Ree-O-na (to rhyme with Fiona) a lot.

As you say, I think it depends on where you are. Tríona (Tree-uh-na) is a common short form of Caitríona. It was quite popular when I was growing up, probably not now though. So I think Ríona would mostly follow that pronunciation here in Ireland.

I do know of one Tríona who went by Tree-Oh-na, emphasis on the Oh. She had the opposite problem really. People kept saying Tree-uh-na to her. But elsewhere it would be different of course.

Lots of Irish Caitríonas do say Ca-tree-na and skip the uh bit actually, but I'd say that's less likely among fluent Irish speakers - there'll be the small uh that people mightn't always hear.

Berlinlover · 06/09/2024 12:40

I would pronounce it Ree-awn.

KirstenBlest · 06/09/2024 12:36

What happens IRL is that you say Caitriona and the other person hears Katreena or Cat-ree-O-na.

Wouldn't happen where people know the name and how it sounds.
Cat-ree-(uh)-na seems easy enough once you know.

I suspect that Ríona would get Ree-O-na (to rhyme with Fiona) a lot.

Coffeeatthelocalmarket · 06/09/2024 10:26

Caitríona is Ca-tree-uh-na for me (the uh bit is not really emphasised though).
Ríona is Ree-uh-na, again the uh is slight. I'm not a native speaker but the person in this link is, I think.

https://forvo.com/word/r%C3%ADona/

KirstenBlest · 06/09/2024 09:58

And get spelled like the boy's name too, I'd imagine.
How do you say Ríona? Caitriona?