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Pronouncing Scandinavian names - pet peeve

190 replies

dylexicdementor11 · 04/06/2024 10:14

This is meant as a friendly reminder to all the Liv’s, Sören’s, Astrid’s, Freya’s etc out there.

As a Scandinavian, I think it’s quite charming that Scandi names are all the rage. However, if you do not speak a Scandinavian language and you decide to name your child a Scandinavian name, or if you have a Scandinavian name please be aware that you are probably mispronouncing the name.
So if a person that actually speaks the language correctly, pronounces the name, please don’t throw a hissy fit and correct them. 😊

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Arlanymor · 04/06/2024 21:29

stripeyoldcat · 04/06/2024 21:28

She might as well have called her Pappskalle.🙃

Would have been the shorter version.

Edited

😂

stripeyoldcat · 04/06/2024 21:28

stripeyoldcat · 04/06/2024 21:24

Very patronising.

She might as well have called her Pappskalle.🙃

Would have been the shorter version.

stripeyoldcat · 04/06/2024 21:24

Arlanymor · 04/06/2024 21:23

Agree, patronising and unnecessary.

Very patronising.

Arlanymor · 04/06/2024 21:23

stripeyoldcat · 04/06/2024 21:21

I’m sorry, but it is so annoying when people write ”I fixed it for you.” OP is capable of having her own thread and opinion and she has stated several times that it is light hearted.

Edited

Agree, patronising and unnecessary.

Arlanymor · 04/06/2024 21:22

@AndiOliversGlasses “There is no correct or incorrect pronunciation where names are concerned.”

Yes there is! I worked in an office where someone mispronounced my name for five years and did not see it as an issue. Obviously I just had to give up in the end, but it’s pretty horrible having someone call you a random word for half a decade. It’s lazy and rude, but they thought the same as you, that there wasn’t such a thing as incorrect pronunciation. My name in English is two syllables and it’s basically Ian with an R in front of it. Lazy and disrespectful. And as I say IN ENGLISH, I wasn’t making them speak Welsh.

stripeyoldcat · 04/06/2024 21:21

AndiOliversGlasses · 04/06/2024 21:12

But you are doubling down on your statement that a British person who uses a Scandinavian name is MISpronouncing it!

They are not getting it wrong or making a mistake, they are choosing to say the name in the way that best suits their accent, when speaking in English, not Norwegian, Swedish or Danish. There is no correct or incorrect pronunciation where names are concerned. You can’t say it’s mispronunciation just because the name originated in your language.

Here, I’ve fixed it for you:

As a Scandinavian, I think it’s quite charming that Scandi names are all the rage. However, if you do not speak a Scandinavian language and you decide to name your child a Scandinavian name, or if you have a Scandinavian name please be aware that you are probably not mispronouncing the name in the authentic Scandinavian way.
So if a person that actually speaks the language correctky, pronounces the name as it is spoken in the original language, please don’t throw a hissy fit and correct them. 😊”

Edited

I’m sorry, but it is so annoying when people write ”I fixed it for you.” OP is capable of having her own thread and opinion and she has stated several times that it is light hearted.

Pinkdressthatwasnt · 04/06/2024 21:19

So if a person that actually speaks the language correctly, pronounces the name, please don’t throw a hissy fit and correct them

@dylexicdementor11
I'm curious whether you'd continue to use a Scandinavian pronunciation when you discover they pronounce their name differently though?

I mean some people might be charmed at someone using a different, arguably more authentic pronunciation, but lots of others might prefer the way they're used to.
And it's their name after all.

If everything could be done without hissy fits it would be great of course!

stripeyoldcat · 04/06/2024 21:17

gardenmusic · 04/06/2024 20:10

Thank you, I am fascinated and want to go to Greenland.
There is no way we have a Greenlander on here?

Watch out, Trump wanted to buy Greenland a few years ago. He is deluded. 😂

AndiOliversGlasses · 04/06/2024 21:12

dylexicdementor11 · 04/06/2024 19:31

This is what I wrote:
“As a Scandinavian, I think it’s quite charming that Scandi names are all the rage. However, if you do not speak a Scandinavian language and you decide to name your child a Scandinavian name, or if you have a Scandinavian name please be aware that you are probably mispronouncing the name.
So if a person that actually speaks the language correctly, pronounces the name, please don’t throw a hissy fit and correct them. 😊”

Context matters, but please, this is really not something to get het up about. 😊

But you are doubling down on your statement that a British person who uses a Scandinavian name is MISpronouncing it!

They are not getting it wrong or making a mistake, they are choosing to say the name in the way that best suits their accent, when speaking in English, not Norwegian, Swedish or Danish. There is no correct or incorrect pronunciation where names are concerned. You can’t say it’s mispronunciation just because the name originated in your language.

Here, I’ve fixed it for you:

As a Scandinavian, I think it’s quite charming that Scandi names are all the rage. However, if you do not speak a Scandinavian language and you decide to name your child a Scandinavian name, or if you have a Scandinavian name please be aware that you are probably not mispronouncing the name in the authentic Scandinavian way.
So if a person that actually speaks the language correctky, pronounces the name as it is spoken in the original language, please don’t throw a hissy fit and correct them. 😊”

Arlanymor · 04/06/2024 21:11

mathanxiety · 04/06/2024 20:02

They're both reasonably right, though a native Irish speaker would not use the hard K sound.

It would be more like Surr-uh-kha.

Soresha is every shade of wrong possible.

Grabs coat and skedaddles....

Ha ha, this reminds me of my mate Caoimhe.

Call her Keeva, all is well, call her Queeva and all hell breaks loose! Both are acceptable Irish pronunciations!

Arlanymor · 04/06/2024 20:51

MumChp · 04/06/2024 19:49

@gardenmusic

If you visited Finland you were in a Nordic country. The Nordic Region consists of Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Iceland, as well as the Faroe Islands, Greenland, and Åland.

Someone shouted at me yesterday because they said they had a nice time in the Valleys, but they were in Cardiff… apparently I shouldn’t have corrected them because ‘I knew what they meant’. What I do know is that that you couldn’t care less about the geography of the place you were in! Not only do maps exist… but also there is a massive cultural implication attached to the Valleys. And I am from Sirhowy Valley myself. But I’m the prick because you had a day trip to Cardiff and were ‘trying to be nice’. Bloody doughnut.

gardenmusic · 04/06/2024 20:10

Thank you, I am fascinated and want to go to Greenland.
There is no way we have a Greenlander on here?

MumChp · 04/06/2024 20:06

gardenmusic · 04/06/2024 19:59

Thank you for the replies. Sorry, feeling very dim, but:

'If you visited Finland you were in a Nordic country. The Nordic Region consists of Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Iceland, as well as the Faroe Islands, Greenland, and Åland'

So where is Scandinavia?

I am 66, and I did not know this, and I have been to Sweden, Norway, Iceland...

@gardenmusic

Scandinavian in general denotes Norway, Sweden, and Denmark.

stripeyoldcat · 04/06/2024 20:04

gardenmusic · 04/06/2024 19:59

Thank you for the replies. Sorry, feeling very dim, but:

'If you visited Finland you were in a Nordic country. The Nordic Region consists of Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Iceland, as well as the Faroe Islands, Greenland, and Åland'

So where is Scandinavia?

I am 66, and I did not know this, and I have been to Sweden, Norway, Iceland...

You are far from the only one. I think lots of pepple in Scandinavia don’t know this about Finland either tbh! You are lucky to have travelled a lot, and this is not very important information anyway. We have similar life styles and standard of living.

mathanxiety · 04/06/2024 20:02

JaneJeffer · 04/06/2024 14:35

Surr-a-ka and Sor-ka are completely wrong to my ear.

They're both reasonably right, though a native Irish speaker would not use the hard K sound.

It would be more like Surr-uh-kha.

Soresha is every shade of wrong possible.

Grabs coat and skedaddles....

gardenmusic · 04/06/2024 19:59

Thank you for the replies. Sorry, feeling very dim, but:

'If you visited Finland you were in a Nordic country. The Nordic Region consists of Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Iceland, as well as the Faroe Islands, Greenland, and Åland'

So where is Scandinavia?

I am 66, and I did not know this, and I have been to Sweden, Norway, Iceland...

MumChp · 04/06/2024 19:55

dylexicdementor11 · 04/06/2024 19:31

This is what I wrote:
“As a Scandinavian, I think it’s quite charming that Scandi names are all the rage. However, if you do not speak a Scandinavian language and you decide to name your child a Scandinavian name, or if you have a Scandinavian name please be aware that you are probably mispronouncing the name.
So if a person that actually speaks the language correctly, pronounces the name, please don’t throw a hissy fit and correct them. 😊”

Context matters, but please, this is really not something to get het up about. 😊

You shouldn't hiss no matter what...

Dd1 and ds have Danish variants of Hebrew names.
I just smile then people say it in Hebrew.
We have often been asked in Denmark if we were Jewish because of dd1s name. It's spelled Scandi way but not common known in Denmark but British spelled common in UK.

Names are great fun.

FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 04/06/2024 19:55

I feel this way about Irish names. It's my pet piamh 😏

stripeyoldcat · 04/06/2024 19:53

FoleyHuck · 04/06/2024 19:19

Have just asked DH (Swedish) and he can't think of anyone he knows or grew up with that followed that naming convention, and typically surnames are just passed down from Mum or Dad to all DC as they are in the UK.

I believe it's still done in Iceland, at least I know an Icelandic lady in her 30s whose surname is '[her Dad's name]dottir'

It’s still done in Iceland.

stripeyoldcat · 04/06/2024 19:51

gardenmusic · 04/06/2024 19:45

'Secondly, Finland is not in Scandinavia'

You learn something everyday - I have been there, to Levi. Where was I, if not Scandinavia?

Finland belongs to the Nordic countries (Norden), not Scandinavia. But many of us here in Scandinavia basically see them as Scandinavians.

MumChp · 04/06/2024 19:49

gardenmusic · 04/06/2024 19:45

'Secondly, Finland is not in Scandinavia'

You learn something everyday - I have been there, to Levi. Where was I, if not Scandinavia?

@gardenmusic

If you visited Finland you were in a Nordic country. The Nordic Region consists of Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Iceland, as well as the Faroe Islands, Greenland, and Åland.

gardenmusic · 04/06/2024 19:45

'Secondly, Finland is not in Scandinavia'

You learn something everyday - I have been there, to Levi. Where was I, if not Scandinavia?

dylexicdementor11 · 04/06/2024 19:43

JaninaDuszejko · 04/06/2024 14:30

Firstly not everyone in Scandinavia uses a single pronounciation for Scandinavian names. Secondly, some 'scandinavian' names have been used for centuries in Scotland. So how do you think we should say them? For example Magnus is pronounced differently in Scottish, Norwegian, Swedish, Danish and Finnish. All have been using the name since the tenth century but it's a word with Latin roots. So what is the 'correct' pronounciation?

Lots of names are pronounced differently in different countries. My SIL (English is her second language) says my name differently to how I say it, neither of us is 'wrong'. Sometimes names change spellings as well as pronounciation.(Freya/Freja, Rachel/Raquel, Sophia/Sofia).

If someone tells you their name you say it how they ask you to say it to the best of your abilities, don't change the spelling or pronounciation.

Firstly, I don’t care how people pronounce a name.

Secondly, Finland is not in Scandinavia.

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AgathaAllAlong · 04/06/2024 19:39

dylexicdementor11 · 04/06/2024 19:31

This is what I wrote:
“As a Scandinavian, I think it’s quite charming that Scandi names are all the rage. However, if you do not speak a Scandinavian language and you decide to name your child a Scandinavian name, or if you have a Scandinavian name please be aware that you are probably mispronouncing the name.
So if a person that actually speaks the language correctly, pronounces the name, please don’t throw a hissy fit and correct them. 😊”

Context matters, but please, this is really not something to get het up about. 😊

Do not see how the context changes anything. You at right not to ask people to "throw a hissy fit", but you're wrong to ask people not to correct you from saying their name wrong. And you're wrong to say that your OP never implied that you think people are mispronouncing their own names.

I'm not het up. I like names and have opinions on cross cultural names.

dylexicdementor11 · 04/06/2024 19:31

AgathaAllAlong · 04/06/2024 19:14

You said: However, if you do not speak a Scandinavian language and you decide to name your child a Scandinavian name, or if you have a Scandinavian name please be aware that you are probably mispronouncing the name.

Posters have rightly pointed out that people with the names you listened are not mispronouncing their own name. That's not failing to read the OP, it's right there in your opening post.

In the replies you focus more on people with these names correcting scandi pronunciations, which of course is silly if you mean that you use the name about someone scandi and they correct you by saying "actually you are wrong, the name is said like this and I know because I have that very same name" . However if you are saying their name the scandi way, and they correct you to the English way, then that's totally fine. You literally are mispronouncing their name. If you persist they'd be right to throw "a hissy fit".

I had a friend called Angela (Spanish speaker) who loathed the English pronunciation. Sometimes people would try to fob her off with a cheery "ah well that's how it's said over here!" and I really respected her for sticking to her guns and retorting that since she wasn't in fact from "over here", the person could bother to actually learn her name.

This is what I wrote:
“As a Scandinavian, I think it’s quite charming that Scandi names are all the rage. However, if you do not speak a Scandinavian language and you decide to name your child a Scandinavian name, or if you have a Scandinavian name please be aware that you are probably mispronouncing the name.
So if a person that actually speaks the language correctly, pronounces the name, please don’t throw a hissy fit and correct them. 😊”

Context matters, but please, this is really not something to get het up about. 😊

OP posts: