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Pronouncing Scandinavian names - pet peeve

190 replies

dylexicdementor11 · 04/06/2024 10:14

This is meant as a friendly reminder to all the Liv’s, Sören’s, Astrid’s, Freya’s etc out there.

As a Scandinavian, I think it’s quite charming that Scandi names are all the rage. However, if you do not speak a Scandinavian language and you decide to name your child a Scandinavian name, or if you have a Scandinavian name please be aware that you are probably mispronouncing the name.
So if a person that actually speaks the language correctly, pronounces the name, please don’t throw a hissy fit and correct them. 😊

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Puffinshop · 05/06/2024 13:12

gardenmusic · 05/06/2024 13:05

'Some people have matronymics instead and a few people do have surnames'

Again, please pardon my ignorance - finding this fascinating, so you could have a boy called Magnus Kerstensson?
Completely unrelated - how are you putting the accents over the letters? I do not seem to have this facility. Are you using a Scandinavian/Nordic keyboard?

Yes, if we take an Icelandic feminine name (not Kersten!) it's the same process - put it in the genitive case and add -son or -dóttir. E.g. María gives Maríuson or Maríudóttir.

Yes, I use the Icelandic setting on my keyboard. It has a special accent key so you press that first, then the vowel and it appears with the accent. I can also do þ, ð, ö and æ without hassle Grin Anyone can change the language settings for their keyboard as far as I know, but it won't match how the keys are labelled so could be tricky to work out!

On phones you can usually just hold down a letter to see a load of international variations.

gardenmusic · 05/06/2024 13:05

'Some people have matronymics instead and a few people do have surnames'

Again, please pardon my ignorance - finding this fascinating, so you could have a boy called Magnus Kerstensson?
Completely unrelated - how are you putting the accents over the letters? I do not seem to have this facility. Are you using a Scandinavian/Nordic keyboard?

Ihavenoclu · 05/06/2024 12:29

dylexicdementor11 · 04/06/2024 18:15

To clarify, I don’t mind how people pronounce a name. I mind when my pronunciation is corrected. There is a difference!

But it is THEIR name surely? Why do you feel entitled to insist on someones name being pronounced differently to how the name holder wants it pronounced. That is just bizarre.

Ihavenoclu · 05/06/2024 12:25

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 05/06/2024 04:39

My god this, why are people here denying this basic fact.

Totally this. Imagine having the audacity to tell someone that they are pronouncing their own name wrong. Jesus wept.

Ihavenoclu · 05/06/2024 12:22

I'm Swedish but live in London. My kids names are pronounced in English by their friends and dad and in Swedish by me and Swedish family. Never given it a second thought. We live in the UK!

Ihavenoclu · 05/06/2024 12:20

KirstenBlest · 04/06/2024 13:50

No, but it varies. it's near Shishten in Norwegian, Kishten in Swedish. Keersten elswhere I think.
Feel free to correct me if you know otherwise.

Swede here. It is Shershtin. But spelt Kerstin

Puffinshop · 05/06/2024 12:16

OP, you haven't addressed the fact many PPs have pointed out, which is that Scandinavians (not to mention Nordics) do not always agree about how to pronounce things. What with there being three different main Scandinavian languages.

If a Dane, a Swede and a Norwegian say things differently, are they allowed to correct each other? What happens if an Icelander and a Faroe Islander join the conversation? The English pronunciation of Freya is practically identical to Icelandic Freyja and I think therefore the English are saying it correctly and you are wrong! (Joking)

Puffinshop · 05/06/2024 12:04

gardenmusic · 04/06/2024 19:04

Am I right in thinking that your brother would be say, Magnusson, and you would be Magnussdotir?
So brothers and sisters have different surnames?

I have a boy and a girl and they have different last names for this reason! They have the traditional patronymics.

It's the father's name in the genitive case (which does not always mean adding an s!) plus -son for a boy and -dóttir for a girl. So Magnússon and Magnúsdóttir if the father is called Magnús. E.g. Kárason or Káradóttir if the father is called Kári. You have to have a grasp of the basic grammar to form them correctly.

Some people have matronymics instead and a few people do have surnames.

Puffinshop · 05/06/2024 11:58

Phantasmagorically · 04/06/2024 18:39

It's all Magnus Magnusson's fault.

RIP, Mastermind king.

But he was Icelandic, where Magnús is pronounced Mag-noose. With a hard g.

AndiOliversGlasses · 05/06/2024 11:44

Isn’t the British version just ass-trid? Where does the “tree” come from?

AndiOliversGlasses · 05/06/2024 11:42

dylexicdementor11 · 05/06/2024 07:03

Thank you for the question. I always attempt to pronounce peoples names the way they prefer them to be pronounced after they have corrected my pronunciation.
However it does send chills down my spine to say ASS tree id. 🤭

They haven’t “corrected” your pronounciation though, they’ve just stated their own preference. Most people would be thinking “gosh how interesting to hear the way it is said in Norway/Sweden/Denmark, but we’ve gone with the English adaptation.” Surely nobody actually says that you are wrong?

AnonymousArmadillo · 05/06/2024 08:10

sashh · 05/06/2024 04:38

Skedaddle, that would make a good name.

Lets face it half the English language has alternative ways to pronounce things. I'm quite a visual person (BSL user) so when I hear the word 'cow' a Frisian cow pops in to my head, but if I hear 'coo' Iit's a highland cow.

OK people here is something to think about, in sign languages you have a 'sign name' it rarely has anything to so with your actual name and can relate to your job, something about you such as wearing glasses or having a piercing.

BUT if there is ever something embarrassing you have done that becomes your sign name. I have come across sign names that mean 'grave' an interpreter who slipped and almost fell into a grave. Wet Furniture - had too much beer and slept on the sofa, you can imagine how the name came about. My favorite 'toilet', there are a number of signs for 'toilet' but one of them is the same as the sign for belgium where this person is originally from.

Amazing!! I want this to just be how everyone is named in future. 😂

Workasateamanddoitmyway · 05/06/2024 07:10

dylexicdementor11 · 05/06/2024 07:03

Thank you for the question. I always attempt to pronounce peoples names the way they prefer them to be pronounced after they have corrected my pronunciation.
However it does send chills down my spine to say ASS tree id. 🤭

I know. The English pronunciation is such a harsh way of pronouncing such a pretty name! I was going to be called Astrid but my parents wanted it to be pronounced in the Norwegian way which obviously wasn't going to happen in the UK.

dylexicdementor11 · 05/06/2024 07:03

Pinkdressthatwasnt · 04/06/2024 21:19

So if a person that actually speaks the language correctly, pronounces the name, please don’t throw a hissy fit and correct them

@dylexicdementor11
I'm curious whether you'd continue to use a Scandinavian pronunciation when you discover they pronounce their name differently though?

I mean some people might be charmed at someone using a different, arguably more authentic pronunciation, but lots of others might prefer the way they're used to.
And it's their name after all.

If everything could be done without hissy fits it would be great of course!

Thank you for the question. I always attempt to pronounce peoples names the way they prefer them to be pronounced after they have corrected my pronunciation.
However it does send chills down my spine to say ASS tree id. 🤭

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CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 05/06/2024 04:39

QueenOfTheEntireFuckingUniverse · 04/06/2024 14:17

Surely the correct way to pronounce a name is the way the person who's name it is does so. It might not be the original pronunciation, but that's how they say their name.

My god this, why are people here denying this basic fact.

sashh · 05/06/2024 04:38

mathanxiety · 04/06/2024 20:02

They're both reasonably right, though a native Irish speaker would not use the hard K sound.

It would be more like Surr-uh-kha.

Soresha is every shade of wrong possible.

Grabs coat and skedaddles....

Skedaddle, that would make a good name.

Lets face it half the English language has alternative ways to pronounce things. I'm quite a visual person (BSL user) so when I hear the word 'cow' a Frisian cow pops in to my head, but if I hear 'coo' Iit's a highland cow.

OK people here is something to think about, in sign languages you have a 'sign name' it rarely has anything to so with your actual name and can relate to your job, something about you such as wearing glasses or having a piercing.

BUT if there is ever something embarrassing you have done that becomes your sign name. I have come across sign names that mean 'grave' an interpreter who slipped and almost fell into a grave. Wet Furniture - had too much beer and slept on the sofa, you can imagine how the name came about. My favorite 'toilet', there are a number of signs for 'toilet' but one of them is the same as the sign for belgium where this person is originally from.

marshmallowfinder · 05/06/2024 03:12

I find people apostrophising plurals, especially names, equally as bad. It's Livs, Frejas, etc.

MagnusMagnussonNotHisRealName · 05/06/2024 00:46

JaninaDuszejko · 04/06/2024 19:04

That's such an ignorant comment and is typical of the English bias on here that does not recognise the separate history of Scotland. Magnus has been used as a boys name in Scotland for over a thousand years (as long as in Scandinavia). How long does a name have to be used before you consider it to be a native name? And since it comes from the latin name of Charlemagne (Carolus Magnus) then should we all still be pronouncing it with a Medieval Latin accent? Or maybe we should accept that the pronounciation of names change over time and one is not more correct than another.

St Magnus Cathedral is 900 years old, do you think Orcadians pronounce its name wrong? Orkney was part of Norway when the cathedral was built and only became part of Scotland in 1468.

Freya is both an old norse name and a relatively modern name, it started becoming popular in both Britain and Scandinavia in the 19th century so neither can claim to have the 'correct' pronounciation.

Thank you. As the Scottish mother of a Magnus I agree. Surely it‘s more likely that the Scandinavians are the ones who are pronouncing the original Latin word incorrectly, if they are transposing the N and the G in the way that @TooMuchRedMaybe dictates? In any event my Magnus’ own Norwegian grandfather does not say it that way, when speaking either English or Norwegian. His “g” is definitely softer than ours is in English, and the final syllable is “oos” rather than “us”but the letter order does not change.

minipie · 05/06/2024 00:19

A name is pronounced how the name bearer or their parent decides, not how a Scandinavian person would pronounce it.

Absolutely this. If someone chooses to call their child Robert but pronounce it Frank then Frank is the correct pronunciation (even if we might all privately think they are mad and that child’s life is going to be an endless stream of correcting people).

There are hundreds of names that started out in a different country being pronounced a different way. These names now have a new variant here (and often other variants in other countries). The variants are not wrong. It’s just not quite the same name as it is in your country.

So if a parent corrects your pronunciation they’re not wrong or rude, they are telling you the correct way to pronounce their child’s name.

ageratum1 · 04/06/2024 22:30

dylexicdementor11 · 04/06/2024 10:14

This is meant as a friendly reminder to all the Liv’s, Sören’s, Astrid’s, Freya’s etc out there.

As a Scandinavian, I think it’s quite charming that Scandi names are all the rage. However, if you do not speak a Scandinavian language and you decide to name your child a Scandinavian name, or if you have a Scandinavian name please be aware that you are probably mispronouncing the name.
So if a person that actually speaks the language correctly, pronounces the name, please don’t throw a hissy fit and correct them. 😊

How arrogant you are! A name is pronounced how tge name bearer or their parent decides, not how a Scandinavian person would pronounce it.

Rainydayinlondon · 04/06/2024 22:14

Phantasmagorically · 04/06/2024 19:06

Saoirse is seer-sha

Sorcha is surrika (more or less)

I can see that the names might look similar to a non-Irish eye.

Yes it was Saoirse I was thinking of!

Lunde · 04/06/2024 22:01

The problem is that there is no uniform Scandi way of saying names because there are differences between the 3 Scandi countries

It depends on what the traditions are for hard/soft vowels and consonants

For example - Kersten/Kerstin
Danish - Keer-stin or Kier-stin
Swedish - Sher-sten/Sher-stin

... then you get the regional variations in each country

.... and don't get me started on Oscar/Oskar/Åskar or Matilda/Mathilda/Matilde/ Mathilde

AndiOliversGlasses · 04/06/2024 21:47

stripeyoldcat · 04/06/2024 21:28

She might as well have called her Pappskalle.🙃

Would have been the shorter version.

Edited

I guess that Scandinavians are known for their bluntness, which is clear from the indignation to my suggestion that the OP be could have been worded in a politer way. It’s also rude to make in-jokes in other languages.

AndiOliversGlasses · 04/06/2024 21:41

stripeyoldcat · 04/06/2024 21:24

Very patronising.

But OP is not being at all patronising by insisting that other people are mispronouncing their own names?! Okaaay..

AndiOliversGlasses · 04/06/2024 21:40

Arlanymor · 04/06/2024 21:22

@AndiOliversGlasses “There is no correct or incorrect pronunciation where names are concerned.”

Yes there is! I worked in an office where someone mispronounced my name for five years and did not see it as an issue. Obviously I just had to give up in the end, but it’s pretty horrible having someone call you a random word for half a decade. It’s lazy and rude, but they thought the same as you, that there wasn’t such a thing as incorrect pronunciation. My name in English is two syllables and it’s basically Ian with an R in front of it. Lazy and disrespectful. And as I say IN ENGLISH, I wasn’t making them speak Welsh.

I meant that the owner of the name cannot be said to be pronouncing it incorrectly. Of course others can mispronounce it!