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Pronouncing Scandinavian names - pet peeve

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dylexicdementor11 · 04/06/2024 10:14

This is meant as a friendly reminder to all the Liv’s, Sören’s, Astrid’s, Freya’s etc out there.

As a Scandinavian, I think it’s quite charming that Scandi names are all the rage. However, if you do not speak a Scandinavian language and you decide to name your child a Scandinavian name, or if you have a Scandinavian name please be aware that you are probably mispronouncing the name.
So if a person that actually speaks the language correctly, pronounces the name, please don’t throw a hissy fit and correct them. 😊

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gardenmusic · 08/06/2024 10:46

Many thanks, lovely Puffinshop!

Puffinshop · 08/06/2024 09:22

gardenmusic · 08/06/2024 08:58

Lovely speakers of northern languages, please would you tell me how to pronounce Yggdrasil? Is it 'Ig dra sil'?
I am reading the Bernard Cornwall books, and this tree keeps cropping up.

Essentially yes, Ig-dra-sil. Stress always on the first syllable.

In modern Icelandic a double g is a little harder than an English hard g, almost a k.

But don't bother with all that Grin

gardenmusic · 08/06/2024 08:58

Lovely speakers of northern languages, please would you tell me how to pronounce Yggdrasil? Is it 'Ig dra sil'?
I am reading the Bernard Cornwall books, and this tree keeps cropping up.

StrawberryBear · 07/06/2024 19:22

I have a Magnus in the UK and we pronounce it with a hard G generally although I'm aware it's Mang-nus in Sweden (I'm half Swedish). It's just easier in the UK and I like both versions.
My dad who is Swedish pronounces it as Mang-nus generally although it's barely noticeable - I didn't even realise he did for the first year 😂. I asked him about it and he didn't think it was remotely strange to pronounce it slightly differently when speaking English.
He's "Mag" for short anyway.

JaninaDuszejko · 07/06/2024 16:37

KirstenBlest · 07/06/2024 13:38

@Violinist64 , What @AndiOliversGlasses posted.
I know Robet, Robat, Roberrt and Robut.

Roburrt in Scotland. Or Robbie or Rabbie or Rab.

eileandubh · 07/06/2024 16:12

To be honest, el rey Carlos does sound a lot more exciting than King Charles.

KirstenBlest · 07/06/2024 13:38

@Violinist64 , What @AndiOliversGlasses posted.
I know Robet, Robat, Roberrt and Robut.

AndiOliversGlasses · 07/06/2024 13:18

Violinist64 · 07/06/2024 13:16

@AndiOliversGlasses and @KirstenBlest, you have both rather proved my point about names being pronounced in different ways and all of them correct and none of them wrong.

Neither of us disagreed with your point. We just disagreed with the statement that all of the UK says Robert as “Robut”.

Violinist64 · 07/06/2024 13:16

@AndiOliversGlasses and @KirstenBlest, you have both rather proved my point about names being pronounced in different ways and all of them correct and none of them wrong.

KirstenBlest · 07/06/2024 13:09

Robert has various pronunciations in the UK, even within England.

AndiOliversGlasses · 07/06/2024 12:54

Violinist64 · 07/06/2024 12:46

Also, many of the same names are used throughout Europe and beyond but often with different pronunciations and/or spellings. Robert is a very good example. In the UK and Germany, we see the name and immediately think Robut, but in France the same spelling is pronounced Robair. Neither is wrong.

In England you may see “Robert” and think “Robut” but the whole UK does not say it like that. In Scotland it is “Roburt” with a strongly-pronounced R. We don’t say “Robut Buns”! We also say it this way when we talk about Robert the Bruce who sent you English homewards to think again! (Though he was actually of French ancestry so who knows how he actually said his own name 😂).

Violinist64 · 07/06/2024 12:46

Also, many of the same names are used throughout Europe and beyond but often with different pronunciations and/or spellings. Robert is a very good example. In the UK and Germany, we see the name and immediately think Robut, but in France the same spelling is pronounced Robair. Neither is wrong.

Katiesaidthat · 07/06/2024 11:12

Feelsodrained · 05/06/2024 14:33

Yes true in Latin but ask any Icelander or German if it should and you might get a different answer.

Anyway, one thing I found amusing in Spain was that when the gossip rags write about Prince William, they change his name to Guillaume. We don’t do that here unless the person also uses an anglicised form of their foreign name themselves. I also know someone called Claire who lived in Spain and people invariably called her Clara.

The names of princes and kings and queens are ALWAYS translated in Spain. So Queen Elizabeth was la reina Isabell II, King Charles is el rey Carlos, princess Catherine is Catalina and William is Guillermo. It´s a norm as from forever.

DataPup · 07/06/2024 10:34

AndiOliversGlasses · 07/06/2024 09:47

That’s odd, as they were either a Danish speaker, or they must have been reading the subtitles?

They thought they'd changed the name on the subtitles. It came up as we were talking about how they don't always do a direct translation. I remember once they translated Malmö to Sweden 😂

JaninaDuszejko · 07/06/2024 10:31

Love Borgen, and how they pronounced Laura (lovely name in both English and Danish).

AndiOliversGlasses · 07/06/2024 09:47

DataPup · 07/06/2024 09:38

We were discussing Borgen at work one day and my colleagues didn't even realise that the son of the prime minister was called Magnus.

That’s odd, as they were either a Danish speaker, or they must have been reading the subtitles?

DataPup · 07/06/2024 09:38

Lunde · 05/06/2024 13:59

In Danish they pronounce is Maun-noose

We were discussing Borgen at work one day and my colleagues didn't even realise that the son of the prime minister was called Magnus.

KirstenBlest · 07/06/2024 09:19

I say Charles de Gaul not Charles de Gaulle. We also say Joan of Arc not Jeanne d'Arc.

Brexile · 06/06/2024 21:59

Feelsodrained · 05/06/2024 15:05

Actually Guillermo on reflection, I think Guillaume is the French version 🙊

Yes, although Prince William is always called Prince William in France, and Charles is called Charles but they pronounce it the French way. At first I had no idea who this Sharl Twa person was, who everyone kept asking me about!

Brexile · 06/06/2024 21:55

@MagnusMagnussonNotHisRealName I have no idea who decides on the authentic pronunciation of Latin, or how they get there! We weren't too bothered about that stuff a quarter of a century ago when I was at university (unless you did the paper on Latin linguistics maybe? I didn't). It was the era of "serwoos" as you say, so no longer the really heinous traditional English pronunciation of Latin, and yet things have moved on since.

In September I'm starting a two year masters degree in Classics. In the first term I have to re-read Lucan's Pharsalia (groan...) whose hero is of course Magnus, i.e. Pompey. I'll be sure to have more info for you then, unless a more up-to-date classicist can help us out first!

Magnus is (literally) a great name btw.

sashh · 06/06/2024 05:21

Feelsodrained · 05/06/2024 15:05

Actually Guillermo on reflection, I think Guillaume is the French version 🙊

Guillaume is French, but at the time England was conquered by a Guillaume he and his army spoke Norman French where the letter 'g' was pronounced as we pronounce 'w'.

@AnonymousArmadillo

It's incredibly useful when you have a few people with the same given name.

KirstenBlest · 05/06/2024 16:04

Their children would be (are?) Tywysog Siôr, Tywysoges Siarlot a Thywysog Lewis. Smile

KirstenBlest · 05/06/2024 15:47

The king is Brenin Siarl, but the BBC uses Brenin Charles
I haven't heard anyone refer to Wills & Kate as Gwilym & Catrin but as they are the PoWs, it would make sense :-)

KirstenBlest · 05/06/2024 15:28

@Feelsodrained , the ahstreed was my approximation. I haven't heard Freya said as anything other than fray-uh in the UK.

The using the local version of a name of royals was standard until fairly recently here too, I think.
We say Catherine of Aragon, Catherine the Great etc

albatrossjoe · 05/06/2024 15:11

MagnusMagnussonNotHisRealName · 04/06/2024 14:22

My son has a Scandinavian name. We know how to say it in Norwegian as his grandfather is Norwegian. It sounds slightly different in Danish and Icelandic. I wouldn’t dream of being upset or offended if a Scandinavian pronounced it as it is said in their country (I’d be fascinated), but neither do I accept that the name is being “mispronounced” when we use it in English. FIL doesn’t care that we say it in an English/Scottish way. His own daughter is called Kirsten and he doesn’t call her “Shashten” unless talking about her in Norwegian to Norwegian relatives.

If you think about it, pronunciation of English names by native speakers tends to align with the speaker’s accent anyway due to the huge regional variations in the UK - for example if I (Scottish) meet a girl called Lara I’m going to say it with two short “a” vowels, whereas her English mother will lengthen the first one much more. They’d think I was taking the piss if I tried to sound English when saying it!

This is us too! Our son has a Scandinavian name, which we pronounce in a way that is likely not entirely as would be in Finnish. I wouldn't be offended if someone from Scandinavia pronounced it as they would typically, however I would take objection to being told I was saying my own child's name 'wrong' - we named him!
For what it's worth I have an English name that has at least three different common pronunciations and very few people use the one that my parents use. It doesn't bother me or them.

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