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Everyone pronounces our daughter's name wrong

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StarShine23 · 13/02/2024 09:09

Hi all, advice needed please.

We named our daughter after someone we know from abroad. Its a pretty simple name but we had never heard it in the UK before. Baby is now 1 and the name has become more popular here, but it has a different pronunciation than we use. The problem we have is we don't like way its pronounced here, but everyone we meet now calls her by the UK version rather than her name, even though we correct them.

Do we:
(a) stick to our original pronunciation, even though it will be a battle for her growing up when other people with the same name all pronounce it the UK way
(b) accept the UK version, even though we dont like it and to us, doesn't suit her
(c) change her name

Has anyone else been through this? What did you do / wish you had done?

We feel awful that we have unwillingly picked something that is going to be tricky for her now all her life, but we love the name.

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TheOriginalEmu · 16/02/2024 00:59

DuchessOfSausage · 15/02/2024 15:38

@shearwater2 , not if you are saying Hey! quickly. Like in 'Hey! Stop!"
Compare it with Aye and Eye or I. Aye sounds longer than Eye or I.

Aye and eye are not even the same vowel sound for me, the diphthong in aye starts with ah, in eye is starts with uh.
again accents exist.

TheOriginalEmu · 16/02/2024 00:54

Quebeccles · 15/02/2024 08:28

I’m thinking it’s a stress difference? An-JEL-uh v ANN-juh-luh.
Angela Merkle is An-guh-luh. G like Goat

Angela Merkel's pronunciation of her name isn’t a stress thing, though - it’s the standard German pronunciation of Angela, with a hard g.

Yes,I wasn’t suggesting hers was a stress thing (tho it reads that way I agree) I was just pointing that out as a different pronunciation.

TheOriginalEmu · 16/02/2024 00:51

TwirlBar · 15/02/2024 03:58

More pronunciations. It's Seer-sha or sometimes Sair-sha, or somewhere between the two, depending on the speaker.

https://forvo.com/word/saoirse/

Thanks for those! The last one to me sounds like inertia, but I suspect it’s just my lack of knowledge on Irish at play. I hear tiny variations in welsh that non speakers don’t.

TheOriginalEmu · 16/02/2024 00:45

DuchessOfSausage · 15/02/2024 13:35

@SpicyMoth , Manon is a common first name in Wales.

@TheOriginalEmu , @Cascade39 , Eira is Eyr-ah. The Ey is short.
Like if you say 'Hey!' quickly not 'Hay'. The r is in the first syllable.

cf. Ava is Ay-vuh not Ayv-uh.

Erm, I’m a first language welsh speaker and that sound is in my child’s name so I know how it sounds. there is no difference in my accent between hey and hay. And there is no Phonological difference between putting the r in the first or second syllable in connected speech.

remember accents exist.

Ottersmith · 15/02/2024 21:29

ZoyaTheDestroyer · 14/02/2024 09:01

The irony of calling people who are using the legitimate local pronunciation ‘stupid’ and then completely misspelling Aoife.

It's not a legitimate pronunciation they use, they pronounce it the same as another word they are familiar with which isn't a name. It's Australia and they can't cope with anything not phonetic. Decades of not allowing brown or black people in the country has addled their brains to new words. They are name idiots.
Ok sorry I spelt Aoife wrong, I'm not Irish and I'm dislexic but at least I can pronounce it!

JG4 · 15/02/2024 19:36

ZoyaTheDestroyer · 15/02/2024 08:04

But if that pronunciation is the established one where you live then those people may not be following your preference but they are not ‘wrong’.

If a Sandra or Alexander moved from the north of England to the south they would find that people pronounced their name differently because of the trap / bath split in English accents. The southerners wouldn’t be wrong, however.

I only meant the wrong pronunciation based on her preference , not literally wrong .i should have perhaps said her preferred pronunciation.

Laureatus · 15/02/2024 19:07

*that should say I was NOT suggesting the name had not been used prior to Twilight, it obviously was. The 'more' there was a typo.

DuchessOfSausage · 15/02/2024 19:00

I thought Esme was Esmy, and that Esmé (m)/Esmée (f) was Es-may (ish)

Laureatus · 15/02/2024 18:51

Welcome back to the debate @mypafology! I had two points actually (with apologies to OP who won't care a fig): 1) that Ez-mee has always been the standard anglicised pronunciation of the name; and 2) that there has been a recent uptick in the popularity of the pronunciation Ez-may due to the popularity of the Twilight franchise. This has clearly caused you some agitation, which is to be regretted. I did restate that I was not saying this was the sole event that brought that pronunciation into general awareness, more that it had not been used before this. At no point did I try to suggest this was anything other than my own observation.

Sorry for being Anglo-French, it clearly clashes with some expectations of yours I am not aware of.

mypafology · 15/02/2024 18:21

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 15/02/2024 17:50

…I'm not debating it anymore

That’s because you’re wrong.

Orthographics and phonotactics are neither here nor there. Esme is pronounced Ez-mee by lots of people, including by people whose name is Esme.

This is so nuts (‘nutz’).

Saying that orthographics and phonotactics are neither here nor there when they actually underpin the whole issue is precisely why I can't be bothered to debate it anymore

mypafology · 15/02/2024 18:19

Laureatus · 15/02/2024 17:58

@mypafology oh bully for you 👍🏻 I also have a degree in linguistics including Germanic philology, palaeography and codicology. I'm also Anglo-French, but who cares?! I don't see how your big words and experience are any more valuable to this exchange than mine. My sister-in-law has a PhD in Gaelic linguistics and I don't think she could make a call on this question either.

Especially when all we really want to know is what name the OP's actually on about anyway (as it obviously isn't Esmé/e).

Your contribution to this exchange was that the Esmay pronunciation has become popular as a result of Twilight.

Which for somebody who is Anglo-French is a rather surprising take

ZebraPensAreLife · 15/02/2024 18:12

I concluded beyond reasonable doubt that Esme is largely pronounced Ez-mee.

Except where it is pronounced Ez-May.

I wonder if it’s regional? I’d genuinely never heard the Ez-Mee pronunciation until a couple of years ago.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 15/02/2024 18:10

I have a PhD in Esme Studies. My dissertation was titled “How is the name Esme pronounced in England?

I drew heavily on orthographics, phonotactics, gymnastics, pyrotechnics, picnics and Stevie Nicks.

I concluded beyond reasonable doubt that Esme is largely pronounced Ez-mee.

Quebeccles · 15/02/2024 17:59

Laureatus · 15/02/2024 17:58

@mypafology oh bully for you 👍🏻 I also have a degree in linguistics including Germanic philology, palaeography and codicology. I'm also Anglo-French, but who cares?! I don't see how your big words and experience are any more valuable to this exchange than mine. My sister-in-law has a PhD in Gaelic linguistics and I don't think she could make a call on this question either.

Especially when all we really want to know is what name the OP's actually on about anyway (as it obviously isn't Esmé/e).

😂😂

Laureatus · 15/02/2024 17:58

@mypafology oh bully for you 👍🏻 I also have a degree in linguistics including Germanic philology, palaeography and codicology. I'm also Anglo-French, but who cares?! I don't see how your big words and experience are any more valuable to this exchange than mine. My sister-in-law has a PhD in Gaelic linguistics and I don't think she could make a call on this question either.

Especially when all we really want to know is what name the OP's actually on about anyway (as it obviously isn't Esmé/e).

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 15/02/2024 17:50

mypafology · 15/02/2024 17:43

Not when I know I'm right, no I don't 😂

I just find it really frustrating because I do actually know what I'm talking about. I have a degree in English language and part of my current role involves linguistics. I could talk about orthographics and phonotactics and their role in why some people mispronounce Esme, but I don't think anybody would take any notice so I'm not debating it anymore 😂

…I'm not debating it anymore

That’s because you’re wrong.

Orthographics and phonotactics are neither here nor there. Esme is pronounced Ez-mee by lots of people, including by people whose name is Esme.

This is so nuts (‘nutz’).

mypafology · 15/02/2024 17:43

Laureatus · 15/02/2024 17:20

@mypafology you really don't like it when people disagree with you hey!

Not when I know I'm right, no I don't 😂

I just find it really frustrating because I do actually know what I'm talking about. I have a degree in English language and part of my current role involves linguistics. I could talk about orthographics and phonotactics and their role in why some people mispronounce Esme, but I don't think anybody would take any notice so I'm not debating it anymore 😂

Laureatus · 15/02/2024 17:20

@mypafology you really don't like it when people disagree with you hey!

FootieMama · 15/02/2024 17:16

My family is binational and live in the UK. I've sepnt ages choosing names that would have the same pronunciation in the three countries. But we noticed that there is a slight difference between them. The kids don't mind. They live with the three pronunciations and change when giving their according to the nationality/ language they are speaking to. Different from your case I guess. But most likely when your daughter goes to school she will accept the local pronunciation because it easier than correcting people all the time

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 15/02/2024 16:58

DuchessOfSausage · 15/02/2024 16:53

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying , I meant 'Eh?' as in 'WHAT? not eh as in meh.

Eh? Eh? Eh?

I love the scousers!

But “eh, eh, eh” sounds like “A, A, A” to me.

DuchessOfSausage · 15/02/2024 16:53

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying , I meant 'Eh?' as in 'WHAT? not eh as in meh.

Eh? Eh? Eh?

herewegoagainy · 15/02/2024 16:45

I would say Es-May. But correcting people will be a lifelong battle.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 15/02/2024 16:40

ZebraPensAreLife · 15/02/2024 16:35

“Eh” and “A” are the same in my accent as well!

I think it depends on whether ‘eh’ is being pronounced fully or not. To me it’s the same as ‘A’. But some people will say it like the ai sound in ‘air’. (That may not help since we all pronounce things subtly differently!)

TooOldForThisNonsense · 15/02/2024 16:40

VincentVanGoth · 13/02/2024 10:00

Is it Esmé?

Good shout

Es-mee v Es-may

DuchessOfSausage · 15/02/2024 16:37

Blimey!

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