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Gwenifer?

129 replies

Tirnanogg · 13/01/2024 10:23

I'm looking for a proper unicorn of a name. I would like a first and middle name, ideally allowing Gwen as a nickname, with a nod to the name Jennifer in there somewhere (both grandmothers!) AND be a legitimate, not totally made up name.

We're Welsh-speaking Welsh and Cornish, living in Wales, but I'd like it to be something the English side of the family can say.

I came across Gwenifer this morning, which seems to satisfy most criteria, but is it a real name?!

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Tirnanogg · 13/01/2024 14:42

Wow, thank you all for your thoughts!

Please be reassured we will NOT be using Gwenifer - I had a suspicion this would be the response, but I wanted to give it a fair hearing!

By 'unicorn' name I didn't mean one which would be incredibly rare, but rather that I suspected I was asking for the impossible.

DH has now announced that he doesn't like any Gwen names. Which means my list of names he doesn't like has got even longer and I've made no progress on names that he DOES like. Ah well, three months to go!

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KirstenBlest · 13/01/2024 14:39

"You seemed to be criticising me for not suggesting the name Gwenno"
Not at all. I only said that 'Gwenore' is not Welsh or a name.
Like Gwenifer, I wouldn't know how to say it.

Sheepdogs tend to have one syllable names.

khaa2091 · 13/01/2024 14:36

I would use Jennifer as a middle name.
Don’t overthink it - my 2yr old is going to arrive at school not knowing her name. I was persuaded that she needed a more conventional first name but she is universally known as Loveday (actually her middle name). My parents were stunned and amazed when there were no fewer than 4 granddaughters called Loveday at a Christmas drinks party…..

MolkosTeenageAngst · 13/01/2024 14:30

KirstenBlest · 13/01/2024 13:49

@MolkosTeenageAngst , but people reading the thread might think it was .
If your friends like it and it works for them, great.

If you read the OP, she did say something not made up. She wanted something people could say

A quick search and I only found Gwenore on baby name sites (along with Olwyn and the like) and fantasy.

I have a friend called Gwenno and she's not a sheepdog. A cousin has a DD called Gwenno, and she's not a sheepdog either. It would be a normal and unremarkable name for a girl/woman.

Why would they think it was Welsh? I didn’t say it was Welsh anywhere and the OP didn’t ask for a Welsh name. Gwennifer clearly isn’t a traditional Welsh name either. The OP said she wanted a unicorn of a name, I suggested a name which I have only known one child to have. Obviously it’s then up to the OP to research the name and decide whether it meets her criteria. It’s not my problem if somebody incorrectly assumes the name is Welsh or thinks it’s more popular or known than it actually is! I never said the name was Welsh, if people think the name is Welsh that’s on them, maybe they will also think Gwennifer is a Welsh name too but so what? This is not a thread asking for Welsh baby names, it’s a thread asking for alternatives to Gwennifer that could be easily pronounced in English. I don’t think Gwenore misses that criteria but obviously if the OP wants something with more traditional roots she can make that decision, I’m not forcing any of my suggestions on anybody! I was just suggesting a list of names I know which start with Gwen, I wasn’t saying OP had to go with any of them and never stated that any of them were Welsh.

In terms of Gwenno, I’m not saying there’s anything abnormal or remarkable about the name. You seemed to be criticising me for not suggesting the name Gwenno and I was just explaining why I didn’t suggest it as the only 2 people I know who have used the name gave it to their working sheepdogs. That’s just explaining why I personally didn’t think to suggest it, doesn’t mean I think there’s anything wrong with the name.

KirstenBlest · 13/01/2024 14:26

@PumpkinsAndCoconuts , the 'ae' doesn't have an English equivalent. 'hael' would probably get said as 'heil'. Hmm

Gwenaëlle is Gwena-el. There's no 'y' in it. Same as Raphael/Rafael/Rafaella. The stray 'y' also sneaks into Naomi.

Gwenwyn would be pronounceable and would shorten to Gwen Wink

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 13/01/2024 14:17

KirstenBlest · 13/01/2024 14:00

@PumpkinsAndCoconuts , it's pretty but I'm not sure it works as a Welsh/Cornish name. I think it would get said as Gwena-yell. (cf . Rapha-yell or Rapha-YELL! that I hear where I live)
The Welsh version, Gwenhael won't really work.

It simply seemed to tick OP´s boxes.
But I´m not from Wales (nor do I speak Welsh) and therefore in no way qualified to judge whether it would or wouldn´t work linguistically.

OP didn´t state that she wanted a Welsh/Cornish name but (presumably) wants something that works in that particular linguistic context or did I miss something?

Gwena-yell (not YELL) actually sounds good to me personally!

Why wouldn´t the Welsh version work? I´m genuinely curious and not trying to be goady, btw.

RenoDakota · 13/01/2024 14:10

nomeslice · 13/01/2024 10:42

What about Genevieve?

Beautiful name.

RaininSummer · 13/01/2024 14:10

Sorry but Gwennifer does sound like a bit like a speech impediment. No offense intended to those so afflicted.

KirstenBlest · 13/01/2024 14:07

@MintyCedric , you're a star. I think I have my perfect baby user name.

MintyCedric · 13/01/2024 14:01

I’ve heard of Gwenifer but only in the context of my favourite book series and it’s not great 🤣.

That said I don’t think it would stick in the mind of anyone that wasn’t a bit of fan girl and it does to tick your boxes, especially the Welsh/Cornish connection.

Gwenifer?
KirstenBlest · 13/01/2024 14:00

@PumpkinsAndCoconuts , it's pretty but I'm not sure it works as a Welsh/Cornish name. I think it would get said as Gwena-yell. (cf . Rapha-yell or Rapha-YELL! that I hear where I live)
The Welsh version, Gwenhael won't really work.

KirstenBlest · 13/01/2024 13:49

@MolkosTeenageAngst , but people reading the thread might think it was .
If your friends like it and it works for them, great.

If you read the OP, she did say something not made up. She wanted something people could say

A quick search and I only found Gwenore on baby name sites (along with Olwyn and the like) and fantasy.

I have a friend called Gwenno and she's not a sheepdog. A cousin has a DD called Gwenno, and she's not a sheepdog either. It would be a normal and unremarkable name for a girl/woman.

MadeOfAllWork · 13/01/2024 13:35

My first thought was The Witcher.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 13/01/2024 13:32

KirstenBlest · 13/01/2024 13:17

@MolkosTeenageAngst , it's a name because someone used it as a name. It's not showing on Darkgreener.

Is it said as 'Gwen Or'? (if Welsh it would be Gwen-OH-reh)

Gwenno (GWEN-oh) is a name. I think there's a Welsh singer (who sings in Cornish) with the name

Yes, said Gwen-ore, I would say it has the same ending sound as Eleanor in my accent. I’m a welsh speaker and aware of the name Gwenno although only ever known it used for sheepdogs, can’t really see it on a human baby myself hence not suggesting it.

I never said Gwenore was a Welsh name, the OP didn’t ask for a welsh name and I haven’s stated it’s a classic or Welsh name so not sure why it matters how it would be pronounced in Welsh. Several of the names suggested on this thread are not Welsh, OP did not say the name needed to be Welsh - Gwennifer which she likes obviously isn’t!

Maybe my friends did make the name Gwenore up if it’s not on dark greener, I just assumed it was a known name as the friends aren’t particularly out there and their other kids don’t have ‘yooneeq’ names at all but never actually investigated the name! A quick Google just now and it is coming up though so presumably exists as a name in some sense even if it’s not used enough in England & Wales to be on dark greener. Anyway it was just a suggestion, not saying the OP has to use it and certainly not trying to argue it’s a classic or Welsh name, neither of which were the OP’s criteria!

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 13/01/2024 13:31

I prefer Gwen.

Gwenaelle / Gwenaëlle is lovely imo.
Edit: No, it is not Welsh (it´s Breton). Yes, it is a name.

KirstenBlest · 13/01/2024 13:17

@MolkosTeenageAngst , it's a name because someone used it as a name. It's not showing on Darkgreener.

Is it said as 'Gwen Or'? (if Welsh it would be Gwen-OH-reh)

Gwenno (GWEN-oh) is a name. I think there's a Welsh singer (who sings in Cornish) with the name

inappropriateraspberry · 13/01/2024 13:08

Guinevere is perfect. Cornish and Welsh connections through King Arthur.
I think having a cousin called Arthur is quite sweet! If they're not at the same school it won't be a connection made all the time.
Could always go the whole hog and get a pet named Merlin!

peaceinourtime · 13/01/2024 13:06

just no go for an actual name with Gwen in it or Gwen it’s self which Is nice

passiveaggressivenonsense · 13/01/2024 13:05

Sorry but It sounds like a speech impediment.

Moonshine5 · 13/01/2024 13:03

No it's awful.
Like Bennifer (Jlo and Ben Affleck)

MolkosTeenageAngst · 13/01/2024 12:59

KirstenBlest · 13/01/2024 12:17

@DinoRodney ,Gwyn is a boy's name. Adding n or nne at the end won't help.
@porridgecake , Guinevere isn't Welsh.
@IHateLegDay , that's offensive.

@WilhelminaBunter , Gwendolyn is from Gwendoline. The -yn ending is masculine in Welsh. The Welsh name is Gwendolen (said as Gwen-DOL-enn, not GWEN-duh-lyn)

@MolkosTeenageAngst , Gwenore? not Welsh and not a name.

I know a little girl called Gwenore in Wales, I’m not saying the name is Welsh as I’ve no idea where parents got the name but it obviously is a name! OP didn’t say the name needed to be Welsh.

mumda · 13/01/2024 12:57

Tirnanogg · 13/01/2024 10:41

Gwendolen might work - Gwendolyn is, as @TeenDivided pointed out, inextricably linked to Gwendolyn Mary Lacey...

Wallace and Gromit fans might smile kindly if she doesn't like cheese.

KirstenBlest · 13/01/2024 12:34

Gwenyth - misspelling of Gwenith or Gwyneth
Gwynne - surname. Anglicised version of a boy's name.

@Tirnanogg , if both grandmothers were Jennfer, why not use Jennifer.

Gwenhwyfar is a nice enough name but the 'hwyf' doesn't have an English equivalent.

A pretty and underused version of Guinevere is Gaenor. It will get anglicised as Gaynor.

Just Gwen as a standalone is nice.

feathermucker · 13/01/2024 12:31

Guinevere or Genevieve

KirstenBlest · 13/01/2024 12:29

Gwenllian? - Great if you can say it. PITA otherwise
Gwyneth? - nice but a granny name, Some will say it as Gwenneth (Ugh!)
Gwendolen? Wrong syllable will get stressed
Gwenan - that spelling is best. Sems dated.
Gweneira - A bit too Snow White. Ey-ra/Eye-ra and stressed syllable issues.

Gwenifer - dreadful sorry @Tirnanogg . I wouldn't know if it was Gwennifer to rhyme with Jennifer or gwen-YV-err.