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Eleanor vs Elenore

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XenaTheWarriorPrincess · 11/11/2023 17:22

Hey guys,

I'm having a girl and me and my partner have decided on the name Eleanor. We both love it and fine with any possible nicknames that may arise from it.

However, we disagree on how to spell it. I envision it as Eleanor but he sees it as Elenore. Both seem to be valid existing spellings and are pronounced the same way and mean the same thing, from what I can tell Elenore is just an alternative spelling.

Just looking for opinions really on which one you prefer/would choose.

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urbanbuddha · 14/08/2024 05:04

I’m so sorry OP.
I hadn’t seen your post when I posted.

urbanbuddha · 14/08/2024 05:00

HundredMilesAnHour · 11/11/2023 17:25

Eleanor, without a doubt.

Elenore looks too much like Eeyore.

This.

XenaTheWarriorPrincess · 14/08/2024 04:44

Please stop. We chose Eleanor. She was stillborn. Don't revive this thread any more it's SO painful for me.

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Jessieshome · 13/08/2024 23:08

Like others have said Elenore looks like you can't spell.

Its not true that all British people pronounce it Ell-uh-nuh I am English and I'd pronounce it Ell-uh-nore, however to totally contradict myself most I have met pronounce it Ell-uh-nuh.

Also though, I once new a mother who pronounced her Eleanor Ellie-a-nore (so produced the a softly as well, it was quite subtle). I thought that was beautiful. It is a beautiful name whoever it's pronounced.

Passepartoute · 13/08/2024 09:39

ElleNORE with the emphasis on the last syllable sounds ugly. IME most people with that name prefer the emphasis on the first syllable, so Elenore is definitely better avoided.

ChildlessCatLady · 13/08/2024 03:13

Appleofmyeye2023 · 11/11/2023 18:10

It’s not the same name

Eleanor - El-anor , nice, lyrical, grown up
Elenor - Eli- nor - sounds like a flipping elephant as will will shortened to eLE the elephant. Just no. Don’t do that to poor kid. You husband needs to learn English

Elenor has roots in - and as far as any reliable source I've been able to find knows ONLY in - Medieval English and Welsh. So I doubt that OP's husband would need to "learn English", had he actually suggested this spelling. And Elenore (which is the spelling the OP actually asked about and said her husband prefers) has a very old, and some would say archaic now history of use in Danish, Dutch, English, German, Norwegian, and Swedish. So sub-mediocre try at a xenophobic slur, regardless.

OP, I would use Eleanor or Elinor in the UK. Eleanore is also traditional although less common and a bit more awkward in my opinion.

Ashhhhhhhhhhhh · 13/08/2024 02:22

I know you’ve probably had your baby by now but I just found this thread and wanted to throw in my two cents 😄 my daughter is 5 and she’s Elenore, we named her after the Turtles song so wanted to have the same spelling. I see Eleanor as El-LEAN-nor now! My Ellie’s had minimal issues with spelling, my name is Ashley and I’ve had spelling issues my entire life so I think you can’t get away from it! Our spelling is pretty rare in Aus but I’m ok with it 😊 either is nice, I also like Elinor as another post suggested! More historical I think

PictureOfFlorianTray · 13/11/2023 17:14

Eleanor.
Revamped spellings of traditional and easily recognisable names is pretentious.
Sorry.

TeslaTwat · 13/11/2023 12:03

RomeoMcFlourish · 11/11/2023 17:26

If you call her Elenore she will spend her life having to correct people who will spell it Eleanor.

Eleanor is the better spelling.

As a person with a name not spelt as the most common version of it, just use the common one. We don't get money for every time it's spelt wrong and thank god there isn't a limit on words daily as mine would all be spent saying "no it's spelt...". It's nice when writing correspondence because it singles you out but that's it.

XenaTheWarriorPrincess · 13/11/2023 11:55

Thanks for all the input guys!

Just to clarify, the intended pronunciation is ellen-or not ellen-uh. its definitely 'or' round where I am.

Dialect/accent differences can affect pretty much any name, even mine (vividly remember a lunchlady when I was at school pronouncing my name meeshell), so I'm not too bothered about it, plus it will likely be shortened to something (ella, el, ellie, nell, Nellie, etc)

We've got bags of time as I'm actually only 16 weeks, so plenty of time to convince dp that the 'Eleanor' spelling is best!

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BubziOwl · 13/11/2023 11:17

Passepartoute · 13/11/2023 10:14

The Eleanors I know universally pronounce it ellenuh, and that includes a 60 year old.

I LOVE a good mumsnet pronunciation debate. I would agree with you, I know several Eleanors and they all pronounce it EL-uh-nuh. All from different areas but all with non rhotic accents.

Actually, I know an Eleanor from Somerset who definitely pronounces the R as she has a glorious, broad Somerset accent. But she still always emphasises the first syllable and doesn't really use an O sound in the nor. So it's more like EL-uh-nerrrr.

spitefulandbadgrammar · 13/11/2023 10:33

Eleanor.

Elenore is yewneek.

MrsJellybee · 13/11/2023 10:28

I have an Eleanor. I toyed with ‘Elinor’ because of Austen. Never ‘Elenore’. In England, Eleanor is usually pronounced with the schwa (/ə/) at the end - ‘eh’. The US, and possibly Wales and Scotland, favour the ‘-or’ ending.

All2Well · 13/11/2023 10:26

I'm in England too and it's always spelled Eleanor and pronounced El-uh-nuh where I'm from which sounds dull to my ears, especially for such a pretty name. Occasionally here in a thick accent it's El-er-ner which is even more unpleasant.

I much prefer the Ella-nor with a strong or sound at the end but know no one locally would use it. I've thought of how to get around it and came up with Eleanore or Elinor. But the Elinor I know still gets called El-uh-nuh regardless!

Weirdly I've never heard anyone say "Eleanor Roosevelt" wrong...but they might not pronounce the Eleanors they know IRL the same way. It's quite bizarre.

I've never seen the Elenore spelling before.

I came to the conclusion it's just too problematic a name if you're fussy about pronunciation (which I am!).

I also love Helena...but people say Hel-ENN-uh, Hel-AY-nuh, HELL-uh-nuh, Hel-EEN-uh... and so on.

Elena can be El-ay-nuh, El-enn-a, El-een-uh etc

And the uh/ah ending always depends on the local schwah sound in the accent too.

If you aren't fussed about how people say it, the most straight forward and accepted option is Eleanor. I'd imagine people would mess up the spelling with other options.

Elastica23 · 13/11/2023 10:21

DryIce · 13/11/2023 10:16

Eleanor is the better spelling.

I love this name, but couldn't use it because of the pronunciation issues. I only like it with the last syllable pronounced, not like Elena. But as proved by this thread, not always the case here! How do you want it pronounced?

That's a shame. I've never noticed a pronunciation issue in 14 years with DD. No-one has ever had any difficulty with the name.

checkedroses · 13/11/2023 10:17

Its Ell-in-err in my accent (or Ell-ay-an-or for a French friend’s child but they have an acute accent on the second e) It was our first choice girls name but never got tp
use it!

DryIce · 13/11/2023 10:16

Eleanor is the better spelling.

I love this name, but couldn't use it because of the pronunciation issues. I only like it with the last syllable pronounced, not like Elena. But as proved by this thread, not always the case here! How do you want it pronounced?

Passepartoute · 13/11/2023 10:14

The Eleanors I know universally pronounce it ellenuh, and that includes a 60 year old.

Peakypolly · 13/11/2023 10:12

Eleanor is pronounced ell-en-uh (or sometimes ell-in-uh) in the UK
Glad I'm not the only one saying this is incorrect. I'm in England, with an Eleanor and her name is always pronounced with an 'ore' ending.

Elastica23 · 13/11/2023 10:12

I think with Eleanor (or indeed most names) you will always get people asking how to spell it.

I say Elle-NOR not "Elenah" and the two Helenas I know pronounce it "Hel ay na" so there is no confusion there.

For me Eleanor or Elinor (as in Dashwood) are the most standard spellings and the first one by far more common.

My DD is known by friends as El. From about the time Stranger Things came out, oddly enough!

Lovely name though, go for it.

Baldieheid · 13/11/2023 10:09

theduchessofspork · 11/11/2023 17:26

Eleanor is pronounced ell-en-uh (or sometimes ell-in-uh) in the UK

Its only in the US it’s pronounced phonetically as ell-an-ore

so if you want that pronunciation go for Eleanore

If you want it pronounced ell-en-uh then use Eleanor

Edited

Wrong.

Ell-eh-nor in Scotland.

And I'd use the classic Eleanor spelling. The other just makes you look like you don't know how to spell it.

childofthewild · 13/11/2023 10:06

TheBirdintheCave · 13/11/2023 09:41

I had two friends when growing up in the NW of England. Both were Eleanor pronounced 'ELL-en-or' like Eleanor Roosevelt or Eleanor of Aquitaine. It's a French name so the 'nor' should definitely be sounded.

I didn't hear it said like Helena without the 'h' until I was much older.

For those of you pronouncing it as the above... do you say Eleanora as 'ell-en-nuh-ah'? 🤔

THANK YOU.

Eleanora is the example I use to tell people how to pronounce MY OWN NAME.
ell-en-nuh-uh is not how you'd pronounce Eleanora so just say Eleanora without the a on the end and it's perfect.
Elena has a few different pronunciations so I'd avoid that.
Spelling Eleanor might come easily to some but everything from Starbucks cups to my exam certificates all feature incorrect spellings of Eleanor.
People will just call her Ellie anyway, that's the automatic assumption and it grates on me every time.
It is a beautiful name meaning "bright one" but I've found it to be nothing but an inconvenience.

CurlewKate · 13/11/2023 09:57

It's a lovely name. Classic and timeless. But please use one of the two normal spellings.

FirstFallopians · 13/11/2023 09:51

Passepartoute · 12/11/2023 22:42

No, Eleanor isn't pronounced Ella-nor in the UK. The emphasis always goes on the first syllable alone, so that it's Ellennuh. She probably will have to spell the name out a lot, but at least the usage of Eleanor is becoming more common so that is how people expect it to be spelt.

The main disadvantage of Elenore is that people will pronounce it putting the emphasis on the last syllable, which makes it rather ugly.

A bold claim given the variation of accents and dialects across the U.K.

So you’re sure that from Cornwall to the Shetland Islands, Newcastle to Enniskillen, everyone pronounces this one word exactly the same?

Where I’m from OP’s spellings are homophones.

TheBirdintheCave · 13/11/2023 09:41

I had two friends when growing up in the NW of England. Both were Eleanor pronounced 'ELL-en-or' like Eleanor Roosevelt or Eleanor of Aquitaine. It's a French name so the 'nor' should definitely be sounded.

I didn't hear it said like Helena without the 'h' until I was much older.

For those of you pronouncing it as the above... do you say Eleanora as 'ell-en-nuh-ah'? 🤔

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