Saoirse?

Some say -
Seer-shah
Sore-shah
Surr-shah

Others won’t know how to spell or say it.

You're very very naive if you you don't think that was going on in primary schools in Ireland in the 90s. I don't think I would ever be so arrogant as to say "that never happened in any school in the 90s".

How could you know? Were you sitting in every school?

I also went to primary school in rural Midlands Ireland in 1990s. The same as her

Here is Maura Higgins talking about her hellhole primary school in longford Ireland.

https://evoke.ie/2022/03/13/entertainment/maura-higgins-primary-school

Unbelievable. I don't even know how to argue with someone so immature and arrogant as you, who thinks they know what went on in every single school in Ireland in the 90s.

Can you try for once in your life to say something more mature then

"That didn't happen" to other people's experiences. It is so so so immature

would be screamed at to answer in Irish by the master.

Was it 1930s invented Ireland, I wonder? Not a chance what you described happened either you or Maura Higgins in the 90s.

Maura Higgins! You are hilarious @Mooshamoo

(I now recall you - and your agenda - from other threads).

You & Maura should write a book.

I remember sitting there for hours learning Catholic prayers and then more hours Irish verbs..that is not a good education at all.

Sure you did.

I mainly learned about Irish language and Catholic religion in my primary school. In the 90s. That is not an education.

Indeed. Knowing more than a bit about this area, I would be fascinated to know where you went to school that departed so significantly from the curriculum. 🤔

My experience is not unusual.

They probably have improved things now.

But in the 1990's, primary schools were not great in ireland.

I just watched Maura Higgins do a video on Instagram. She was on love island. She is Irish . She did a video on Instagram saying she was traumatised by the primary school she went to in Ireland.

She said it was not a gaelschoil. But if she spoke or answered in English at all, she would be screamed at. She would be screamed at to answer in Irish by the master.

I didn't get an education at all. I'll never forget the hours learning Catholic prayers and Irish verbs as a young child. What a waste

Mooshamoo your experience is unusual. The time allowed for Irish in primary schools has been 3 1/2 hours a week for ages.
It is fascinating language - like “ainm” which means name is similar to “anam” which means soul.
Like “Saoirse” has an opposite word “daoirse” ie freedom/slavery.
Also “sorcha/dorcha”, “sonas/donas”.

Yes I absolutely believe it's a complete waste of time. And it was the way it was so extremely heavily focused on in primary school.

I don't believe I got an education at all.

Irish wasn't one of say seven subjects focused on equally, in my primary school.

We studied Irish for most of the day. This was not a gaelschoil. It was a normal primary school.

I mainly learned about Irish language and Catholic religion in my primary school. In the 90s. That is not an education.

I remember sitting there for hours learning Catholic prayers and then more hours Irish verbs..that is not a good education at all.

There was huge emphasis on Irish over other subjects.

@Mooshamoo

You are correct about how Irish has been taught.

There are challenges there. It is not however purely about it being mandatory.

There is a long societal & historical basis for the challenges of preserving & enhancing Irish. Too long to go into.

Lots of interesting discussion on the airwaves in the last two days about plans to develop Irish, including looking to the Welsh model - worth listening back to.

Snap

a country without a language is a country without a name
Without a soul @Mooshamoo

a country without a language is a country without a name".

No, without a soul.

❤️

Where do people use Irish after school. ? It is a complete waste of time.

I can't quite believe you wrote that.

You think that having learnt our native language for 14 years is a waste of time? That the ability to understand how language has formed, placenames came about, read the top level of official signage (now mandatory to be as Gaeilge) is all a waste?

Not to mention the number of jobs, my own included, that require a minimum level of Irish.

There is a whole amount we learn at secondary school we will never use again, depending on our further study and career choice. It doesn't make it a 'waste' 😟

While I agree it could be taught in a better way I don't agree that it affects your education as learning a language is good for the old brain cells. I mean look at me

Good for me to see that the Irish I learnt is till in my brain! I understood that. You said "a country without a language is a country without a name".

I have to say I disagree with you politely Jane. It's an interesting one to debate.

I think if children weren't forced to learn the language at school, the language would still be there.

I think the government should weigh up the pros and cons of : is making children learning Irish for 12 years - actually harming their education? Couldn't it be introduced as an optional module.

I don't know anyone that enjoyed learning Irish. It's the way that it is forced on people. If people had options to do it or not they would enjoy it

Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam.

No they don't drop every subject at the end of school.

Take maths - it's used in many careers: accounting, finance banking.

English - is used in journalism, marketing, advertising careers.

Where do people use Irish after school. ? It is a complete waste of time.

There is no way it should be a mandatory subject. No way.

But just about your correction - I mean, the vast amount of students drop every subject at the end of secondary school, surely?

Bar the few who study certain subjects directly at university.

So much back-pedalling.

But unless I've missed it, you didn't correct even your first or last sentence? Both completely wrong too?

Anyway this is hardly pertinent to the OP's question about the name Saoirse so I'll leave it there.

@EarringsandLipstick

If you look a few posts below I clarified what I meant by the second sentence which was written quickly.

What I meant was that most would take part and then drop it by the end of secondary. Ie have no further use of it.

Here is a screenshot of me correcting what I’d written - I do not have edit function on mobile.