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Saoirse?

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NameNameNameNames · 17/09/2023 12:35

Follow on from my Isla thread, another name I have in mind is Saoirse.

Sister would still be Hazel, and there’s very little chance of the name being mispronounced

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JaneJeffer · 23/09/2023 19:11

Mór
?

SunnyFog · 23/09/2023 19:06

Síle
Mór
Mairéad
Plainest names I can come up with.

Plusque · 23/09/2023 18:40

Scruffington · 23/09/2023 18:04

I bet you're an Áine.

And in the words of Marilla Cuthbert (kind of) 'Áine is a real good plain sensible name. You've no need to be ashamed of it'

Áine is a sexy, sassy badass name compared to mine!😀

Scruffington · 23/09/2023 18:23

That's the midlands for you...

JaneJeffer · 23/09/2023 18:23

Ceart go leor

Mooshamoo · 23/09/2023 18:22

JaneJeffer · 23/09/2023 18:09

@Mooshamoo if you're living in Ireland you use it every day whether you are aware of it or not

No i dont. I only ever see irish when it is flashed up on the front of buses and trains. And i don't use it then. I wait for the English word to be flashed.

I never speak it. No one I know speaks it.

JaneJeffer · 23/09/2023 18:09

@Mooshamoo if you're living in Ireland you use it every day whether you are aware of it or not

Scruffington · 23/09/2023 18:07

Maura Higgins is the most un-Maura looking Maura I've ever seen.

Mauras usually wear support stockings and a tweed skirt that's straining across an ample backside.

Mooshamoo · 23/09/2023 18:05

JaneJeffer · 23/09/2023 17:52

As Maura said:

Maura finished up by saying she could write a book on everything that went on in her primary school and that there were many more stories.
I doubt if it would be a bestseller though Grin

Maura Higgins is very funny. The video she did about her primary school was very funny, because I could relate to a lot of what she said! She said there were two rooms in her primary school, with three classes in each room.

We had four rooms in my primary with two classes in each room. So fifth and sixth class were in one room. The teacher spent the day going between the classes in the same room

Scruffington · 23/09/2023 18:04

Plusque · 23/09/2023 07:55

Irish names can’t be ‘nice and plain and sensible’? I can assure you I have the ultimate ‘nice, plain and sensible’ Irish name.

I bet you're an Áine.

And in the words of Marilla Cuthbert (kind of) 'Áine is a real good plain sensible name. You've no need to be ashamed of it'

Mooshamoo · 23/09/2023 18:03

Liv999 · 23/09/2023 17:51

Of course Irish should be a mandatory subject, and i hope it remains so, its our language for Gods sake 🙄

Is it our language? It is an old language. No one I know in Ireland ever uses Irish at all in their day to day lives.

If we don't use it, how is it our langauge.

JaneJeffer · 23/09/2023 17:53

Why does MN keep messing up my formatting Angry

JaneJeffer · 23/09/2023 17:52

As Maura said:

Maura finished up by saying she could write a book on everything that went on in her primary school and that there were many more stories.
I doubt if it would be a bestseller though Grin

Liv999 · 23/09/2023 17:51

Of course Irish should be a mandatory subject, and i hope it remains so, its our language for Gods sake 🙄

SunnyFog · 23/09/2023 17:36

Sounds like a whole other thread ;)

JaneJeffer · 23/09/2023 17:11

Inspections would absolutely have shown up if the curriculum wasn't followed.
I went to a very rural primary school in the 70's and there are absolutely ways to get around this but if I wrote about the school I went to nobody would believe it except for the other people who went there! The cigire was clueless or simply couldn't care less.

SunnyFog · 23/09/2023 16:10

EarringsandLipstick · 23/09/2023 09:14

That's not true @SunnyFog at least in your explanation of Maedhbh (another spelling!)

It's a lot more to do with the oral nature of the language, and the different dialects - there are just multiple spellings of certain names, they are not necessarily time specific. Some Irish names also became anglicised, while still 'Irish' eg Maeve, my native Irish-speaking grandmother's name.

Yes of course Earrings. I’m fighting my phone so my posts aren’t as clear as I would like.
but interesting: In Old Irish the spelling “Saíre” or “Saeire” was used to mean freedom. So much like Serra, not seersha.

Mooshamoo · 23/09/2023 13:47

Anyway ya let's move on. I'm also bored of talking about primary schools

Mooshamoo · 23/09/2023 13:44

EarringsandLipstick · 23/09/2023 13:41

Oh Moo it's getting tiresome.

Yes, annual inspections are all there would be (of course someone didn't come once a month!).

Student teachers would be unlikely in the midlands as it's too far away from their teacher training college.

Inspections would absolutely have shown up if the curriculum wasn't followed. Yes, you went to a small teacher school which you didn't like - I get that. It still doesn't mean that all you learnt was Irish & prayers.

I didn't say it's all I learnt. I said there was way too much of a focus on Irish and Catholic religion. Our teacher in fifth and sixth class was particularly interested in Irish and Catholic religion, so she focused primarily on those two subjects.

Do you think one annual inspection is enough to see what's happening in a school? It should be way more.

I was teaching summer school there in the UK last summer, and I was inspected twice in one month. And all the other teachers were aswell.

Mooshamoo · 23/09/2023 13:41

EarringsandLipstick · 23/09/2023 13:30

Seriously? Did you read it? She had no knowledge of English by secondary school? 🙄

No she didn't mean it like that. She could speak English. She grew up speaking English. Her parents speak English.

I think she meant she had little knowledge of the terms of English language structure, like what are verbs in English.

As her primary teacher didn't teach her those terms. Like what verbs and nouns are in English. As he focused so heavily on the Irish language in primary

EarringsandLipstick · 23/09/2023 13:41

Oh Moo it's getting tiresome.

Yes, annual inspections are all there would be (of course someone didn't come once a month!).

Student teachers would be unlikely in the midlands as it's too far away from their teacher training college.

Inspections would absolutely have shown up if the curriculum wasn't followed. Yes, you went to a small teacher school which you didn't like - I get that. It still doesn't mean that all you learnt was Irish & prayers.

ColleenDonaghy · 23/09/2023 13:38

Obviously I can only speak for my own experiences but that doesn't really tally at all with my education in a convent school in the 90s.

I didn't enjoy learning Irish at the time and it was one of my lower marks but with the benefit of hindsight I'm glad I learned it from a cultural standpoint. Just like Shakespeare.

Mooshamoo · 23/09/2023 13:36

EarringsandLipstick · 23/09/2023 13:28

@Mooshamoo

I am going to say that's children learning verbs and saying prayers for hours, in Irish primary schools in the 90s, didn't happen.

Because it didn't. A school doing that would be reported, parents would have complained, schools are regularly inspected - a school so substantially failing to meet the curriculum in that way would be followed up.

You may recollect it so - but memories are not reliable.

It did happen.

I remember our rural school being inspected very, very rarely. Certainly no one came around every month. An inspector seemed to come about once or twice a year, and even then he wouldn't go into every class. I remember in my rural school we never had any student teachers coming or going.

I was there for six years. We had four teachers for the whole school. The same four female teachers were there the entire time I was in that school.

There were no student teachers coming and going , to be inspected.

Inspectors seemed to come very very rarely. A lot of village schools were left to be by themselves.

EarringsandLipstick · 23/09/2023 13:30

Mooshamoo · 23/09/2023 13:06

Here is Maura Higgins talking about her hellhole primary school in longford Ireland.

https://evoke.ie/2022/03/13/entertainment/maura-higgins-primary-school

Seriously? Did you read it? She had no knowledge of English by secondary school? 🙄

EarringsandLipstick · 23/09/2023 13:28

@Mooshamoo

I am going to say that's children learning verbs and saying prayers for hours, in Irish primary schools in the 90s, didn't happen.

Because it didn't. A school doing that would be reported, parents would have complained, schools are regularly inspected - a school so substantially failing to meet the curriculum in that way would be followed up.

You may recollect it so - but memories are not reliable.

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