Help protect children from gaming harms.

Take our survey

Please or to access all these features

Baby names

Find baby name inspiration and advice on the Mumsnet Baby Names forum.

Cassia & India or Isabella & Emilia

130 replies

Sayler · 15/08/2023 19:07

My DH and are due twin girls any day now (36 weeks) and are having a massive name disagreement.
I love Cassia and India, he loves Isabella and Emilia. We both like the others names, but I feel his are very popular, he thinks mine lack timelessness and class.
Neither of us like the two sets combined (we thought about India and Isabella for a but but matching initials is a no).
Which set do you prefer? Any suggestions that might please us both?

OP posts:
Are your children’s vaccines up to date?
GiddyUpH · 16/08/2023 13:59

Cassia and Emelia in order of birth (also appreciate not turning question).

Greenfishy · 16/08/2023 13:57

Cassia and India I love because they sound free spirited and hippyish. Sounds like you’ll take them off backpacking in a VW van for a couple of months on Mat leave and send them to forest school. I’m a bit like this (and wish I was more like this!) so love them.

I also love Isabella and Emilia as they are pretty, classic and conjure up images of upper middle class pony mad private school girls. Which I wish I had been 🤪🤣

Which fits your lifestyle best?

Bipbopbee · 16/08/2023 13:56

Callie and Mia

Then you've got combinations of Cassia/Isabella and Emilia/India

swayingstreetlamp · 16/08/2023 13:51

Some other consonant forward names you could pair with Cassia/Emilia: Margot, Frances, Carmen, Yasmin

Iris and Emilia
Emilia and Margot
Cassia and Margot
Cassia and Frances
Frances and Emilia
Emilia and Carmen
Cassia and Yasmin
Yasmin and Emilia

swayingstreetlamp · 16/08/2023 13:42

I loved a pp's suggestion of including a consonant ending name like Iris with one of your -a endings. Thinks it sounds like a really beautiful pair.

The conversation around India is fascinating to me because I have a lot of Spanish family/spend a lot of time in Spain and as a pp said Africa is a really common name. The Spanish also have a bad colonial history in northern Africa, but I don't think Spanish people make the link at all.

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 16/08/2023 13:38

Cassie and Isobel (prefer this spelling). I detest -a names because of the peculiarly British tendency to say -uh instead.

Agree with pp regarding India.

Lisbeth50 · 16/08/2023 13:34

India Hicks was named India because her grandfather was Viceroy of India so definite colonial vibes. The only other India I can think of is India Willoughby.

Pocodaku · 16/08/2023 13:33

OverCCCs · 16/08/2023 11:32

Im this instance, though, it’s not just a matter of personal preference where ultimately the parents’ choice rules out. India is only really used as a given name in the UK, which not so coincidentally colonised India. More and more people are growing aware of how problematic, and to many individuals offensive, it is in light of the substantial history behind it.

Even if you and your DH love it, it’s worth considering how your DD might feel in years to come burdened with a name that is someday seen along the lines of, say, a non-native Hawaiian person with a Hawaiian name or a European-descended person culturally appropriating a Kenyan name.

But (urban and educated) people in India happily use names from non-Indian languages, cultures and origins. If they like the meaning and/or sound, they’ll use it.

Rainbowqueeen · 16/08/2023 13:08

Cassia and Juliet

Just because I think you might like it and I’d use 2 names with different endings. But seeing your DH likes really popular names how does he feel about Eve?

Iamclearlyamug · 16/08/2023 13:07

Cassia and Emilia for me - one of each parents choice, can't say fairer than that 🤷‍♀️

0LampLady0 · 16/08/2023 13:06

Also I did not know that about Neveah I just thought it was a made up name used by the general population and I am not a big fan of made up names. I'm glad to be better informed.

0LampLady0 · 16/08/2023 13:03

@NotAFanOfEldridgeCleaver

It's great that we're on the same page about India being an unsophisticated choice for a baby name.

And I completely understand and share your worries about cancel culture. However, in my opinion, I still don't think India would be a suitable name especially for a British baby girl. Why use India with complicated connotations when she could use the very similar name of Indie? I believe Indie would benefit the little girl much more and that India could possibly be a hindrance. I think that's fair. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

P.s. Slavic people went through slavery at different points in history, but it's not confirmed whether or not the word "slav" actually comes from that. Interesting stuff.

Whitewolf2 · 16/08/2023 12:57

I think India is a bit naff, I think place names are generally. There are so many lovely names out there, why go for a Country. I much prefer Isabella and Emilia, I guess my taste matches your husbands.

daisypond · 16/08/2023 12:56

India is cringey and really not classy.

Cassia and Emilia are nice and go well together.

Theoldwoman · 16/08/2023 12:55

I would go slightly different,
Isobel and Amelia.

Classic, timeless, elegant.

They are popular for a very good reason.

WallaceinAnderland · 16/08/2023 12:46

Millie and Bella

'Country' names are starting to be seen as a bit old fashioned and naff unless you have family history to link them.

NotAFanOfEldridgeCleaver · 16/08/2023 12:45

Well, I'm part tea-drinking Brit and part spice-loving Desi, and while naming someone India seems a bit cheesy to me, I'm not exactly losing my cool over it. You must have a constitution as delicate as a porcelain teapot to get your feathers ruffled by that.

Also, I comprehend your perspective, British colonialism in India was a case of plunder disguised as progress. @0LampLady0, but when you compare the name India's appropriateness to your dislike for a name associated with the disadvantaged and impoverished class, you could be said to be displaying classism and elitism. See how this could go on and on and on ad nauseam?

Cancel culture is a bigger concern than the narrow, misguided focus on blaming only white people for all historical injustices. Forget the Arab slave trade and the origin of the word 'Slav' white people are the evilist evil of the world and must repent eternally. There was nothing but love and peace before those baddies came along.

Indie - cute and quirky. India - eh, not my cup of tea. But hey, to each their own! Alternatively stick with a classic European name like Elizabeth, Anna or Lucy - they're like a fine wine, they never go out of style & versatile enough to suit any era or social rank.

Toodle-oo.

KirstenBlest · 16/08/2023 12:34

@frnames , India was a name used by colonial families

frnames · 16/08/2023 12:25

KirstenBlest · 16/08/2023 12:16

@frnames , you can't see me. I might not be white, British or female.

I wasn't referring to you. That wasn't meant as a dig or anything.

OP, India was a name used by colonial families in the 19th Century. Now it's just a modern place name like all the others and found across cultures. It's been this way for more than half a century. If people think it 'inappropriate' that's their own hang up.

Carbonicalloy · 16/08/2023 12:21

India and Cassia sound cheesy to me as Cassia makes me think of the spice and therefore it seems like you've gone for a sort of 'spice route' theme for your twins.
Also I would be confused how to pronounce cassia, is it with a sh like Kasia, or cas-see-ah?

And I agree with others that you may find India fine but your DD may find it embarrassing in the future if it does come to be seen as more problematic (than it already is).

So overall I Emilia and Isabella (sorry), both are popular now but that's because they are classic, pretty names, and have good nn options.

WaltzingWaters · 16/08/2023 12:20

Cassia and Emilia. (India is lovely also, but Emilia works well and is a compromise). Isabella is way too overdone.

KirstenBlest · 16/08/2023 12:16

@frnames , you can't see me. I might not be white, British or female.

frnames · 16/08/2023 12:14

KirstenBlest · 16/08/2023 11:58

Has India been used for decades? I can only think of India Hicks (grandchild of the Mountbattens) and Inda Knight (changed her name and has pakistani heritage), and more recently Katie Hopkins' child (nuff said).

It's been a girl's name since the 19th Century. It declined in popularity and regained popularity 50 years ago and has been in steady use since. It's a name commonly found in the anglosphere and is now popular in Spain. Kimberley is another name that has a 'dodgy' background (Boer war). India doesn't need to become controversial and the majority of people I see trying to make it so tend to be white British women.

Sayler · 16/08/2023 12:04

KirstenBlest · 16/08/2023 11:58

Has India been used for decades? I can only think of India Hicks (grandchild of the Mountbattens) and Inda Knight (changed her name and has pakistani heritage), and more recently Katie Hopkins' child (nuff said).

Well 245 babies were called India in England and Wales in 1996, going to assume it didn't spring out of nowhere then, but even if it had, yes decades. There was a girl named India a few years below me at school (I'm 28) and another doing the same course as me at Uni.

OP posts:
uncomfortablydumb53 · 16/08/2023 11:58

All great names Cassia is absolutely lovely so that would be a definite for me
They all flow but I think my first choice would be
Cassia and Emilia
Cassia and India
Wishing you all the best for their birth