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Effion?

81 replies

Zoomer122 · 09/04/2023 13:33

Me and DP are looking at names for DC2. I recently found the boys name Eiffion and instantly fell in love, at first glance I thought the name was ‘eff-ion’ and after a further look thought it was ‘ee-fee-on’ but after a quick search I found out the origin of the name and it’s pronounced ‘avy-on’ or ‘ivy-on’ and i still love it but have fallen in love with ‘eff-ion’ especially with the nickname Effie. Me and DP are not Welsh and DS is named Florian but goes by Ori so we aren’t sure if it will sound right . I don’t want to give him a weird version of a traditional welsh name but at the same time I love eff-ion so much. Would it be weird to name him effion even though it’s not really a name or is there any variants that I’m not aware of.

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Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 09/04/2023 20:00

I was getting Evian vibes (and suspect that's how many people would pronounce it) and you'd get so tired of correcting people who would say 'what, like the bottled water?'

DacwMamYnDwad · 09/04/2023 19:53

If you are going to name him Effion, please do not say it's a Welsh name, because it isn't.

Efan is a slightly strange one, because it is fairly unusual, with Ifan being the popular version. Efan is pronounced Evan.

Zoomer122 · 09/04/2023 19:06

@SpringIntoChaos would never want to butcher a name, we wouldn’t name him Eiffion/Eifion it would be Effion

@TomatoSandwiches I might add Efan to the list

I don’t personally get why people get so heated over a name sounding slightly feminine. Me and DP like softer sounding ‘male’ names like Florian. Plus Effie would only be a nickname for us to use around the house.

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ClassicLib · 09/04/2023 18:14

It’s Eifion, pronounced AY-vee-on. A traditional Welsh name.

DacwMamYnDwad · 09/04/2023 18:12

According to darkgreener, Eifion is still used, and is more popular than Meirion.
The connection between the two names is that both are connected to regions in Wales, and are of a similar vintage. Meirion might be better known because of Portmeirion.
For those who are unfamiliar, Meirion is a boy's name, and pronounced approximately MAYR-yon (not Merrion Smile )

PickledScrump · 09/04/2023 18:00

It looks feminine like a misspelling of Ffion which is a Welsh girls name. Effie is also a common female nickname. Your son has to live with correcting people his whole life, and being assumed a girl when people see it written. Let this one go, maybe get a pet you can call Effie.

BigglyBee · 09/04/2023 15:13

Effie is a common-ish name in Scotland, but it's a girls' name, so I'd be careful about using that as an abbreviation.
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I love Welsh names and have some Welsh family connections, but after my grandmother told me about how hard it was for her growing up with a Welsh name (Essyllt) that nobody knew how to spell or pronounce, it isn't something I considered for our own children. I might have done if I'd stayed in Wales, but in Scotland it would have been difficult for the child. My grandmother couldn't pronounce her own name either because she couldn't manage the Welsh "Ll" sound.

UsingChangeofName · 09/04/2023 15:12

Please don't give your child a name that even you don't know how to pronounce, or spell.

I had a friend (who would have been 90 now) called Eifion. He'd moved to England in the 1950s, and no-one could ever pronounce his name.

It's a lovely name (in Wales) - though, as pp said, probably a bit dated now - but not for people who are not Welsh speakers.

MoongazyHare · 09/04/2023 15:07

Don’t make up your own version of an existing name - it will just be confusing. People who know the correct name will call him by it, and given it’s pronounced very differently from the sounds you like, that’s not what you’re aiming for.

Also, Effie is a girl’s name - short for Euphemia.

I’d go back to the drawing board.

MrsCarson · 09/04/2023 14:54

Pretty common name for older men around us (North west Wales) It's spelt Eifion (Avion emphasis on the A like in Able) 2 syllables I only know it as older men over 40 ish.

DacwMamYnDwad · 09/04/2023 14:39

As I pp It is 2 syllables. If it was Ei-Vi-on, the stress would fall on the Vi/vee part, and it doesn't. cf. Ffion, Gwion etc.

Hafannedd123 · 09/04/2023 14:36

Its usually spelt Eifion and pronounced Ei Vi On (I am Welsh and live in Wales its a fairly common name here) x

DacwMamYnDwad · 09/04/2023 14:34

It's definitely, AYV-yon, 2 syllables. The Ay sound is short.
One of the ones I know complains that people say it as Avian. Smile

DacwMamYnDwad · 09/04/2023 14:32

Sian Adey-Jones was a 'page 3 girl' and a Miss Wales in the 1970s

scarecrow22 · 09/04/2023 14:31

No. Please.

RitzyGlitzy · 09/04/2023 14:29

Use Geoffrey and call him Effie if you like the eff sound.

HamSandwichKiller · 09/04/2023 14:28

As other posters have said the name is Eifion. Unless you're Welsh speaking please don't, virtually everyone will make a dogs dinner it.

RitzyGlitzy · 09/04/2023 14:27

It's Eifion. F gives a V sound, the FF is a ffff sound.
All the ones I know are late 60's early 70's, it's probably equivalent to calling your child Pete, Roy or Clive.

LlynTegid · 09/04/2023 14:26

No (is a complete sentence). Not a loving thing to do.

DacwMamYnDwad · 09/04/2023 14:24

Where did you find the name, @Zoomer122 ?
Eifion is a welsh name for a boy, but it's not been used much in the past 50 years.
It's pronounced AYV-yon

YfenniChristie · 09/04/2023 14:24

SpringIntoChaos · 09/04/2023 14:10

Not great to butcher a strong Welsh name by deliberately mis-pronouncing it 🤦‍♀️

True story here (which I've shared before in MN): my cousin named her daughter Sian after the Welsh glamour model Sian-Adey Jones (her husband was obsessed with the model, and my cousin just went along with this rather bizarre insistence on naming their daughter after her 🤷‍♀️)

Anyway...this was in the early 80s and well before we had the internet...so being very 'northern English' they had never actually heard this name spoken...just seen it written on Page 3 of The Sun 🤦‍♀️

Their daughter has gone through her entire life 'correcting' people's pronunciation of her name...as her parents thought it was said like 'sigh-Ann'. Also, when she tells people her name, they write it Cyan (like the colour) as that's how she says it 🤷‍♀️

Please don't do this to your child!

This!

Love the name Eifion. It's a great Welsh boys name. Don't butcher it. Chose a different name.

FatGirlSwim · 09/04/2023 14:23

The name is Eifion. Pronounced Ay-vee-on. An f in Welsh makes a v sound, but ff is pronounced as f in English. Eiffion isn’t a name, and doesn’t work in Welsh.

Briallen · 09/04/2023 14:12

I’m welsh and have never come across Effion or Eiffion. Do you mean Eifion? the ff makes an f sound and the one f makes a v sound.

I think effion nickname Effie looks and sounds quite odd if I’m being honest. It’s a bit like eff off and Effie is also a girls name.

SpringIntoChaos · 09/04/2023 14:10

Not great to butcher a strong Welsh name by deliberately mis-pronouncing it 🤦‍♀️

True story here (which I've shared before in MN): my cousin named her daughter Sian after the Welsh glamour model Sian-Adey Jones (her husband was obsessed with the model, and my cousin just went along with this rather bizarre insistence on naming their daughter after her 🤷‍♀️)

Anyway...this was in the early 80s and well before we had the internet...so being very 'northern English' they had never actually heard this name spoken...just seen it written on Page 3 of The Sun 🤦‍♀️

Their daughter has gone through her entire life 'correcting' people's pronunciation of her name...as her parents thought it was said like 'sigh-Ann'. Also, when she tells people her name, they write it Cyan (like the colour) as that's how she says it 🤷‍♀️

Please don't do this to your child!

Bernadinetta · 09/04/2023 14:09

From the thread title I assumed it was a girl’s name. There’s a Welsh girl’s name Ffion.