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Francis or William

36 replies

Robot278 · 26/03/2023 14:02

Which of these do you prefer? We love both but not sure which to go with..

Francis William
William Francis

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JauntyRedShoes · 28/03/2023 00:32

William Francis
William Frank

Twoinapod · 28/03/2023 00:21

@Luredbyapomegranate I’ve missed the part where I wrote that feminine sounding equates to drippy, all I can see is that the descriptive words I used were both drippy and feminine sounding. You must be reading something different, in which case check your reading comprehension skills

Luredbyapomegranate · 27/03/2023 23:34

Twoinapod · 26/03/2023 19:49

William definitely. Francis is such a drippy feminine sounding name, don’t know why you’d do it to a kid

I’m not sure why being feminine sounding equates to drippy?

Not that I think it’s either. But check your internalised sexism, etc.

Luredbyapomegranate · 27/03/2023 23:31

Francis

Far too many Williams

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/03/2023 06:11

Twoinapod · 27/03/2023 05:37

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g a personal opinion is not nonsense, of which my post is in fact my own personal opinion. I missed the part of my post where I said there have never been any famous people with that name. Please enlighten me to where I said that. Also if you look at other comments you will see several others sharing similar opinions so why is it you only singled out mine?

Because you said it was a feminine sounding name. I haven't checked but I think Francis is a much older name than Frances. It's sad that it's far more acceptable to give a girl a name that's also used for boys, or is very similar to a boys' name, but it's seen as a problem for a boy to have a name that might mean they are mistaken for a girl. It couldn't be clearer that in the eyes of many this would be demeaning for a boy or man.

Theoldwoman · 27/03/2023 05:42

Both great names but slightly prefer Francis.

Twoinapod · 27/03/2023 05:37

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g a personal opinion is not nonsense, of which my post is in fact my own personal opinion. I missed the part of my post where I said there have never been any famous people with that name. Please enlighten me to where I said that. Also if you look at other comments you will see several others sharing similar opinions so why is it you only singled out mine?

user1492757084 · 27/03/2023 05:08

William Francis .. William is a universal, handsome name that occupies all classes and countries.
Francis is the perfect second name.

Nick names could still be - Will, Bill, Frankie, Frank

DramaAlpaca · 26/03/2023 23:49

William Francis. I really like Francis as a middle name, where it's safe from diminutives I dislike, like Frank/Frankie.

IamnotwhouthinkIam · 26/03/2023 23:32

William. If in doubt, I always say go for the timeless classic as it means people will have no preconceptions about your DC. And if as a pp noted Francis has some great namesakes, then William has some amazing ones (I mean the worldwide bestselling writer who arguably influenced culture and language the most was named William Grin, as well as the bloke who conquered and changed England forever, plus the chap who led the British abolition of slavery... we could be here all day Grin).

I really do get the appeal of Francis too- it's elegant and makes me think of French Royalty. But Frank/Frankie is getting quite trendy now, and I must admit the Francis I knew was often teased by his mates for having a "girl's name" (admittedly this was 20 years ago now, likely wouldn't happen today).

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 26/03/2023 21:57

Twoinapod · 26/03/2023 19:49

William definitely. Francis is such a drippy feminine sounding name, don’t know why you’d do it to a kid

What utter nonsense. Plenty of famous men have been called Francis.

Saint Francis of Assisi
Francis Bacon - two very different famous men of that name
Sir Francis Drake
Francis Ford Coppola
Francis Crick

To name just a few.

WhisperingAutistic · 26/03/2023 21:51

MyOtherUsernameIsDave · 26/03/2023 18:54

William.

I can’t stand Francis, to me it’s so wet and dreary. Almost pathetic sounding. I don’t know why, I’ve always thought it.

Agree with this
I've no idea why it does, but it just does.

Sadiegirl87 · 26/03/2023 21:32

If you prefer Francis then you should go for it, you'll only regret it if you go for a name you don't like based on other people's opinions. Once he is born and you use the name a few times you'll just see it as his name and you'll forget all these comments.

bumblebeees · 26/03/2023 21:30

Francis is a fab name

BeanzToastie · 26/03/2023 21:02

I prefer Frank or Bill to either Will/William or Francis

Robot278 · 26/03/2023 20:51

@LazJaz so nice to hear someone like the name. It is also a family name hence why I am more drawn to it.
I do like William but not as much but so many people seem to think Francis is ‘wet’

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LazJaz · 26/03/2023 20:39

Love Francis
it’s a family name for us, and my son has it as a middle name.
I definitely don’t see it as “wet” OR “drippy” per PP as the original family Francis was an amazing figure in his lifetime. It feels to me that people don’t like boys names with close female equivalents (Frances) because perhaps they feel there is something undesirable in having any connotation with femininity in men. That’s a sad state of affairs for me - and all the more reason to choose unisex sounding names.

either way around is lovely but personally I would go with Francis William because it is more unusual.
Frankie is a very cute nickname for a toddler too, and Frank can be “worn” easily enough as a teen if desired.

lovely name either way - congratulations!

fairycupcakes · 26/03/2023 20:33

Francis!
I love it and love the nn choices of Frank or Frankie x

Twoinapod · 26/03/2023 19:49

William definitely. Francis is such a drippy feminine sounding name, don’t know why you’d do it to a kid

MyOtherUsernameIsDave · 26/03/2023 18:54

William.

I can’t stand Francis, to me it’s so wet and dreary. Almost pathetic sounding. I don’t know why, I’ve always thought it.

pinkberet · 26/03/2023 17:24

Every William I have ever taught has been a bit wet and weepy.
Francis, nn Frank/Frankie by a country mile for me

Robot278 · 26/03/2023 17:10

Oh DH is very happy with the comments on here. Francis was my favourite as it is a family name

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AcrobaticCardigan · 26/03/2023 16:49

William Francis is much nicer.

midsomermurderess · 26/03/2023 16:36

Francis, going by Frank day to day. It's not 'wet' to my ear, in fact, I think it's strong, and quite fresh. You see it more frequently on here though.

ourflagmeansdeath · 26/03/2023 16:27

William Francis - but I love the other option too so you can't go wrong!