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Confused! Loophole? Reregistering and deed polls!

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AprilDaisy20 · 20/03/2023 20:22

Hello!

Help needed please in an attempt to honour late family and heritage through name changes.

If a second middle name is added to child's name via deed poll, then their parents marry, upon reregistering the child, is the new added middle name included on the new birth certificate issued?

Also, if a parent changes their surname via deedpoll prior to the marriage, can the child then also take this new surname (along with the other parent), upon reregistering?

I.e.
Parent via deed poll-
John White changes to John Brown

Child via deed poll-
Jane Ann White changes to
Jane Ann Mary White

Is it then possible for the below to take place:

Child via reregistry-
(Original BC) Jane Ann White
(Deed Poll) Jane Ann Mary White (New BC) Jane Ann Mary Brown??

Thanks so much for any help given! It would mean alot to us all.

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Makingamess4212 · 21/03/2023 23:44

Apologies, just realised PP explained that once married you have to reregister the birth certificate. Never heard of this nor has anyone I've ever met done it.

But yes, the deed poll middle name will carry into the new birth certificate. It is a legal document regardless. Once changed, that is your child's name.

Makingamess4212 · 21/03/2023 23:40

I had 4 legal name changes before I was 18.
I am a little confused.

You're changing the name by deed poll just to add a middle name? Then getting a brand new birth certificate just for change of surname?

Could you not wait till after the wedding, change the name via deed poll to the new surname, and add the middle name in at that point. Saves having multiple legal documents of name changes, trust me its a hassle when you're older and need proof of everything.

Also why do a deed poll, then a new birth certificate? Makes no sense.
All of my name changes have been via deed poll. For example,

I was born (not real) - Lucy Right
Name changed to - Lucy Middle, via deed poll
Name changed to - Lucy Left, via deed poll.
Etc etc.

You don't need a new birth certificate. Plus like I say, if I was you I would wait till after the wedding and do it all at the same time. Your child will need proof of all name changes for credit checks, security, passports, driving licence. It's a pain.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 21/03/2023 23:13

was the change of name deed done within a year of the child's birth?

User6761 · 21/03/2023 19:15

We were told by the registrar when we registered our baby that if we married in the future our child would have to be re-registered. I hadn't been aware of it before that, I don't think it's widely known.

DistrictCommissioner · 21/03/2023 13:55

We haven’t done it as I think it’s bonkers & it hasn’t caused any issues. Similarly my parents never did it for me & I haven’t had any issues in my life with it.

RandomMess · 21/03/2023 13:42

It's to do with inheritance law.

They are now legitimate children of that marriage.

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AprilDaisy20 · 21/03/2023 13:24

@WhisperingAutistic glad it's helped you :)

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WhisperingAutistic · 21/03/2023 13:20

AprilDaisy20 · 21/03/2023 13:19

@WhisperingAutistic I'm not sure of the actual implications themselves, but if either of you took the other's surname, I believe the children should be reregistered to reflect your new name in the mother/father section of their BC. Hope this helps!

Yes, I took his surname
I'll get it done then. Thanks for this, I had no idea.

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AprilDaisy20 · 21/03/2023 13:19

@WhisperingAutistic I'm not sure of the actual implications themselves, but if either of you took the other's surname, I believe the children should be reregistered to reflect your new name in the mother/father section of their BC. Hope this helps!

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RandomMess · 21/03/2023 13:07

@AprilDaisy20 he has to do all pain in the arse phone calls and physical running around.

We had moved 300 miles from the registry office and yes it involves them and had 3 DC to sort out. It was one of the things I said "go hand these forms in at Registry Office before we move" 🤬

🙄

WhisperingAutistic · 21/03/2023 13:01

I never knew you had to reregister!
My husband is on the birth certificate but we married when our son was 5 months old.
Our son has a passport.

Is this something that is going to cause a problem?

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AprilDaisy20 · 21/03/2023 12:59

No worries @LiquoriceAllsorts2! I suspect there may be a few who could be caught out.

@RandomMess I hope you gave him what for! 😂

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AprilDaisy20 · 21/03/2023 12:45

@LiquoriceAllsorts2 I believe that technically you are supposed to, but also so we can all take the new surname. I understand this doesn't matter to some families, but it does to ours. Partner was given their mother's maiden name as surname at birth. Partner will be changing their surname to their parents' married name and therein honouring their paternal heritage, triggered by their father passing away. The middle name change is to honour my grandmother. Sentimentality all-round! Hope that clears things up.

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RandomMess · 21/03/2023 12:43

@LiquoriceAllsorts2 indeed that seems to be the case.

We finally got around to it when they needed to apply for passports! We didn't have valid passports. A lot of stress that could have been avoided if DH had handed the forms in years ago when I bloody asked him to 🤣

DistrictCommissioner · 21/03/2023 12:43

AprilDaisy20 · 21/03/2023 12:27

I am hoping that the reregistry after marriage would mean the newly issued BC would contain all their new names, so they don't have to produce the deed poll along with all their other documents for the rest of their lives- hence trying to find a "loophole" as mentioned in title, by doing the deed polls before the marriage.

I added a middle name by deed poll as a teenager & never have to produce the paperwork.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 21/03/2023 12:41

Sorry just googled and saw that’s the case, feel like a lot of people don’t know that and won’t do it.

RandomMess · 21/03/2023 12:40

@AprilDaisy20 the gov.uk website does imply that you can make corrections if the natural parents marry at a later date

RandomMess · 21/03/2023 12:34

@LiquoriceAllsorts2 because it's actually the law that you have to!

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 21/03/2023 12:32

I don’t really understand about the registering after marriage, why will you be doing that?

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AprilDaisy20 · 21/03/2023 12:27

I am hoping that the reregistry after marriage would mean the newly issued BC would contain all their new names, so they don't have to produce the deed poll along with all their other documents for the rest of their lives- hence trying to find a "loophole" as mentioned in title, by doing the deed polls before the marriage.

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AprilDaisy20 · 21/03/2023 12:19

Thanks @DistrictCommissioner

@LiquoriceAllsorts2 We are in London... Thanks for your post!

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LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 21/03/2023 12:15

Where are you? Name rules change per country. In England I think you can change a name by deed poll whenever (with parental permission for children) so the marriage is irrelevant. Other countries are a lot stricter on names

DistrictCommissioner · 21/03/2023 11:25

You can give your child any surname you want.

we got married after our child was born but never bothered re registering them.

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AprilDaisy20 · 21/03/2023 11:21

@LittleBlueBrioTrain I realise my posting in "Baby Names" is likely to have caused confusion. The child is actually nearing the end of Junior School, so has an understanding of what having the extra middle name would represent.

The surname change is simply so we all have the same name after we marry- just our preference.

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AprilDaisy20 · 21/03/2023 11:16

@goldenfoliage Hello, that's a good idea, thanks very much:)

@LittleBlueBrioTrain Hello, yes they do, the child misses said family member greatly- why do you ask?

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