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Should baby have two middle names ‘just to be fair’ to MIL?

136 replies

Merryclaire · 06/09/2022 15:07

Our precious little girl arrived this week and while we have pretty much decided the first name (which we both seem to be equally happy with), we are disagreeing a bit on the middle name.

For a while now I’ve wanted it to be my mother’s middle name as it’s been passed down through a few generations and is a nice name too. I’ve mentioned this a number of times during pregnancy and he never said anything about not being happy.

However, DH suddenly now feels that if we’re honouring my mum we should also honour his mum by having her middle name as well.

Neither mums have ever been honoured for any other grandchildren and this could well be the last grandchild for both of them.

However, I feel like MIL’s name isn’t as nice and I don’t see that we should add it ‘just to be fair’ when there is a tradition in the maternal line of my family that is meaningful to me. Being a girl I think honouring the maternal line is more appropriate. And I think just adding both makes it less special for my mum.

Baby already has a 3-syllable first name and a double barrelled surname - so to me, 2 middle names feels excessive.

Should I fight for just my mum’s middle name or am I being precious and should I just add his mum’s to avoid conflict? Even though she’ll have a very long name!

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Mitzymarvel · 07/09/2022 11:09

This is your child’s name not a recognition opportunity for mums.

Choose the best middle name for her - not on the grounds of fairness between families.

DH didn’t have to compromise on first name so he should relax about middle name.

I also think as you carried her and birthed her, and are currently her whole world, you should get slightly more say over her name. However you don’t get to use that card for long so if it means that much to you, insist on the name you want.

cecinestpasunepipe · 07/09/2022 10:33

My granddaughter has two middle names, mine and the other granny's, and I couldn't give a toss. I just feel honoured that one of them is mine! I could understand maybe feeling a tiny bit peeved if it was only the other granny honoured thus, but I wouldn't have let anyone, especially her parents know that!
When it came to choosing my middle name, many decades ago, my parents were lucky in that numerous relatives on both sides had the same name, and my brother even married someone who had the same middle name!

autienotnaughty · 07/09/2022 10:33

Use your mums middle name and don't mention the meaning?

orbitalcrisis · 07/09/2022 10:22

@HewasH20 My full name doesn't fit on the passport form, I have to write it outside of the little boxes. It always appears in full on my actual passport though.

WhatIsThisPlease · 07/09/2022 10:18

*So it’s not your mums first name.

and I assume it’s your middle name too? if so, I wouldn’t even be considering the fact it’s your mums middle name. It’s yours? Take the parents out of the equation, it’s not about them.

However if it’s not in your name, then it’s not really carrying a tradition.*

Absolutely this. If it's not your middle name don't have either. If it is your middle name then you're naming your dd after you. No need to mention grandparents.

And to be fair, if it's not your middle name it's not a family tradition as it misses you out? Do you have any sisters with that middle name? Surely if you do it's for them to carry on the tradition?

strawberry2017 · 07/09/2022 10:12

Your partner is going to have to get over this "fairness" thing or it's going to cause issues.
It starts with a middle name disagreement and next it will be you see your mum more then you see mine.
You have to do what's best for you. You are never going to please everyone.
In this case there is a clear family history. I personally would stick with that.
We did the exact same thing with my son, used a family name for his middle name.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 07/09/2022 10:10

Two middle name? Puh!

"When two football mad parents had to decide what to call their newborn son, they couldn't decide which one of their side's players to name him after.

So instead Burnley supporters Amanda and Stephen Preston registered him after the entire first team.
^^
Jensen Jay Alexander Bikey Carlisle Duff Elliot Fox Iwelumo Marney Mears Paterson Thompson Wallace Preston was taken to his first game after just eight days."

Calphurnia88 · 07/09/2022 10:09

BeeDavis · 07/09/2022 10:07

So you didn’t want to take his name through marriage making the name long already, it’s unfair that just your family name gets used when you already decided to keep your surname when you got married.

Why shouldn't OP keep her surname? 🤔

BeeDavis · 07/09/2022 10:07

So you didn’t want to take his name through marriage making the name long already, it’s unfair that just your family name gets used when you already decided to keep your surname when you got married.

2pinkginsplease · 07/09/2022 09:57

I wouldn’t put two middle names.

dd has my mums middle name as her middle name.

we both chose the first names and we all have dh’s surname as our family name. My argument was that I went through the 9months of pregnancy then labour so I get to choose the middle name, dh agreed so dd has my mums name.

dh did question why I wouldn’t put his mums name in and I said it was old fashioned and I had been lumbered with a horrid middle name and I wasn’t doing that to my child.

OctopusBreath · 07/09/2022 09:57

I don't think your desire to give your child a family name trumps his, just because of your family tradition.

JenniferBarkley · 07/09/2022 09:50

I think add it. My DDs' middle names are family names and they love hearing the story behind them. I think telling her that she's Jane Kate Sarah Smith-Jones because Sarah and Smith come from one side, and Kate and Jones come from the other, and she has two sides of her family that love her very much, is a lovely story to grow up hearing.

Ultimately, it will make your MIL very happy (DD2 has MIL's name as a middle name and she was touched), your DH won't feel awkward and day to day it will make exactly zero difference.

IStandWithMaya · 07/09/2022 09:46

No need to add her name.

Allthebears · 07/09/2022 09:43

Is it your middle name too?

Topseyt123 · 07/09/2022 09:39

Phos · 07/09/2022 09:07

Your mum's MN has been passed down generations, so this is an established tradition and you like the name anyway. Your MIL is just trying to bulldoze in. This is why I hate honouring with names. Use the name you like and to blazes with being "fair".

Read the OP again. It is the OP's husband who is the one doing the bulldozing here, not her MIL. In fact, nowhere does she suggest that her MIL has been involved at all.

The husband is apparently trying to be fair to his mother, which is bollocks anyway. Who is to say that MIL would even notice the middle names if it wasn't directly pointed to her.

MadameCholetsDirtySecret · 07/09/2022 09:36

Use a new middle name.

NapInTheSun · 07/09/2022 09:34

So it’s not your mums first name.

and I assume it’s your middle name too? if so, I wouldn’t even be considering the fact it’s your mums middle name. It’s yours? Take the parents out of the equation, it’s not about them.

However if it’s not in your name, then it’s not really carrying a tradition.

WatermelonSugarSigh · 07/09/2022 09:30

Phos · 07/09/2022 09:07

Your mum's MN has been passed down generations, so this is an established tradition and you like the name anyway. Your MIL is just trying to bulldoze in. This is why I hate honouring with names. Use the name you like and to blazes with being "fair".

The MIL isn't trying to bulldoze in on anything- she probably isn't aware of the situation at all. It is OP's husband who want to include the MIL's middle name.

I can see why he would want her name to be included. Has he seen the family naming tradition and has also thought that would be something nice to do as well? At the same time I also see how annoying it would be if the name didn't flow when included the extra middle name, would be a very long name as well. I'd want to try and pick the name that I thought the DD would be happiest with in the future too.

I'd lean towards the name not being included for that reason tbh- shoehorning it in seems silly when it will make the name less nice.

deeperthanallroses · 07/09/2022 09:28

He has baby’s first choice - I’d suggest revisiting that to your first choice and the two middle names and see which option he prefers.

SoupDragon · 07/09/2022 09:20

it sounds a bit... patriarchal.

well, apart from the fact that it is her MILs name rather than her FILs.

EdgeOfACoin · 07/09/2022 09:16

rollerblind · 06/09/2022 21:33

The fact that you wouldn't drop your maiden name says it all. You can't have two middle names with a double barrelled surname so I'd ditch them both; not fair on his mum, I agree with your DH.

So...OP shouldn't pass on her surname to her DD. In other words, she has no right for her name to be 'honoured' by her own daughter.

But her husband's mother on the other hand has every right to have her name honoured. OP cannot use a name from the maternal line without using a name from the paternal line, otherwise it's unfair.

Is that right?

If so, it sounds a bit... patriarchal.

Phos · 07/09/2022 09:07

Your mum's MN has been passed down generations, so this is an established tradition and you like the name anyway. Your MIL is just trying to bulldoze in. This is why I hate honouring with names. Use the name you like and to blazes with being "fair".

frazzledasarock · 07/09/2022 09:00

If you have a good relationship speak to your MIL and say you want to continue your family tradition with baby of the same middle name all the women in your family are given.

see what she says.

I’d give my DD the middle name of my choice specifically as it means so much to you and your H is apathetic unless you give your child your middle name. That just seems petty to me.

silverclock222 · 07/09/2022 09:00

Both or neither and you don't have priority decision making either.

shreddednips · 07/09/2022 08:59

Normally I would say use both, but I don't see your DH's point on this occasion because it isn't just your mother's name. Crucially, it is YOUR name. So I would just say you named her after yourself in the unlikely event your mil ever asks why she has that name!