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Apparently my sons have ‘naughty boy’ names…

136 replies

Perplexed0522 · 13/08/2022 09:04

A friend made a light hearted comment (supposedly) about my two children’s names last week and I am convinced she’s a MN member seeing as she used to the term ‘naughty boy name’.

My husband has got Scottish roots and before we TTC the plan was always that we would honour his history. He used to live in Scotland but moved to England to settle down with me and as all his family are still in Scotland we felt Scottish names would be a nod to them.

We had a son first and called him Arran (pronounced Arun) after one of the Isles and we joked that if our second child was a girl we would call her Skye.

Second child turned out to be another gorgeous boy so we called him Lewis, after one of the other Scottish Isles.

My friend is pregnant which is why we were taking about names and that’s when she said (with a giggle) that it was really brave of me to give both my sons names that are associated with being naughty. She laughed it off but it really hurt.

I’ve since come on here (we have been thinking about TTC number 3) and I have seen Lewis be labelled as a ‘naughty boy’s name ☹️

I know a child’s name doesn’t define them but I feel so guilty that I may have given both my boys a name that has negative associations ☹️

Has anyone else been in a similar boat and how did you move on from it?

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Redlocks28 · 13/08/2022 10:02

Your friend sounds like a bitch! I agree, certain names have become thought of as ‘naughty’ boys-Alfie/Archie in particular, plus the Jayden/Kaiden/Braedon/Hayden but not either of your boys’ names.

RudsyFarmer · 13/08/2022 09:59

The only names I’ve seen criticised on here are the K names like Kai and Kane etc. Lewis is definitely not a ‘naughty boy’ name.

Luredbyapomegranate · 13/08/2022 09:59

That's incredibly bitchy of her. Ignore and dump her.

And she's wrong anyway - neither Arran (which is nice and unusual and I suspect it might really take off soon for boys and girls as it's v similar to the overused Rowan), or Lewis (which is widely used), would fall into the category of what people call naughty boy names - it means things like Jayden and Tyler.

SamMil · 13/08/2022 09:58

They're both lovely names 🙂 and I wouldn't associate either with being naughty!

vroom321 · 13/08/2022 09:57

SoupDragon · 13/08/2022 09:07

There is no such thing as a "naughty boy name".

it is just the personal associations people have with a name.

Exactly

Skelligsfeathers · 13/08/2022 09:57

She's talking rubbish. Ignore her.

Toffeepancakes · 13/08/2022 09:55

I’ve worked in childcare for years (in Scotland). Every Arran I have worked with has been lovely and I’ve had a mix of naughty Lewis’s and lovely Lewis’s (all quite lovely really). I’d actually put this down to Lewis being a popular name so there is more of them. (one I also love).

Your friend is just being daft!

SisterAgatha · 13/08/2022 09:54

And I just checked that list and our boys name isn’t on it. It’s too vintage I think for a list like that.

It barely has any names… Wasn’t Lord Byron a naughty boy? Boris Johnson? Ebenezeer Good was naughty naughty very naughty. What a lame list.

Changechangychange · 13/08/2022 09:50

Would never think Arran and Lewis were naughty boy names.

SisterAgatha · 13/08/2022 09:49

My boy is named after one of the most famous of naughty boys. It’s commented on all the time but is a family name, we are used to it and laugh. He is challenging but what kid isn’t.

we sing this to him.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=oewVISY1Yhs

Sing it to your friend.

Luxa · 13/08/2022 09:49

Tell her that your sons are good so they are 'good boy names'

SleepingStandingUp · 13/08/2022 09:46

abovedecknotbelow · 13/08/2022 09:24

How can you have a naughty name?

On here, it's when the lower classes use a name heavily that the upper classes wouldnt consider letting near their child. Usually a "made up" name or non-typical spelling, an Americanised name etc. See pp with Jayden, Jaiden, Jaxxon, etc.

SleepingStandingUp · 13/08/2022 09:45

abovedecknotbelow · 13/08/2022 09:24

How can you have a naughty name?

On here, it's when the lower classes use a name heavily that the upper classes wouldnt consider letting near their child. Usually a "made up" name or non-typical spelling, an Americanised name etc. See pp with Jayden, Jaiden, Jaxxon, etc

Happymum12345 · 13/08/2022 09:41

Another teacher here-those names are not on my ‘naught boys’ list!

SoupDragon · 13/08/2022 09:30

I suppose you now know that your friend's name is a "mean girl name" 😂 Maybe tell her that.

RedRec · 13/08/2022 09:26

The names are lovely and she is a bitch.

abovedecknotbelow · 13/08/2022 09:24

How can you have a naughty name?

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 13/08/2022 09:23

Yeah those weren't the names I was expecting!!

You're find OP. Kayden, Kyle, Jaxxon... Maybe not. 😉

It's just an stereotype based on class. We all know that in reality there's plenty of nice boys called Kyle and plenty of naughty boys named George. But stereotypes aren't necessarily untrue either - the issue of stereotypes isn't that that they are untrue, it's that they aren't the whole truth.

SaltandPepper22 · 13/08/2022 09:22

Personal association and prejudice as pp said. I get what she means although Arun and Lewis aren’t “naughty boy names” to me. I immediately reaction to a “naughty boy name” is Tyler and Tony, and Jamie but that’s probably because I went to school with some who I remember at the time being “naughty boys” rather than some deep seated association.

it’s also worth considering that the concept of a “naughty boy name” is typically a thin veiled attempt to conceal classist attitudes towards certain parents and their children rather than people actually thinking they are names for naughty children.

SleepingStandingUp · 13/08/2022 09:22

ClocksGoingBackwards · 13/08/2022 09:16

That list posted by @SleepingStandingUp is interesting, but definitely bollocks. I have a grown up child who’s name is on the nice names list, but I’ve seen posters on here associate it with naughty in the past.

Exactly. And the list changes lots which shows that what was naughty in "2015" wasnt two years later etc.

SummerLobelia · 13/08/2022 09:21

What an unkind nasty thing to say.

You have had an insight into her character now though.

junebirthdaygirl · 13/08/2022 09:17

I have been a teacher for 40 years and a few names popped into my head when l saw your post. Neither of your names were anywhere near the list and anyway its all nonsense as each child has their own personality. Actually she sounds like a horrible friend to say that about your dc as they have great names and the Scottish connection is a real bonus.

ClocksGoingBackwards · 13/08/2022 09:16

That list posted by @SleepingStandingUp is interesting, but definitely bollocks. I have a grown up child who’s name is on the nice names list, but I’ve seen posters on here associate it with naughty in the past.

ShirleyPhallus · 13/08/2022 09:13

They’re lovely names

I do think there are some “naughty” names, the same way as I think there are mean names, clever names, shy names etc but that’s because lots of people associate people they’ve known with characteristics. I doubt all the names would be the same.

Ie Nicola is the name of a totally awful person I’d once known so to me Nicola = awful but I’m sure to someone else it’s the name of a lovely kind woman

ClocksGoingBackwards · 13/08/2022 09:13

I’m in England, I e never heard those names associated with ‘naughty’. There are plenty of names that are associated with naughty, but none of them are the names you chose in my experience. Your ‘friend’ is both wrong and a bitch.