Apparently my sons have ‘naughty boy’ names…

Dylan - definitely NBN
It has it all doesn't it - hipster (Bob Dylan, Dylan Thomas), different culture/language and mispronounced too - classy

Very dull as a welshman's name - he's probably just this side of 60 and says it as DULL-ann.

Lovely names op!
lovely to know too that I am most likely branded as a “certain type of parent” thanks to my funny, helpful, friendly and brilliant 16 year old Kyle!
As it happens it’s the name of an elderly, much loved and respected member of my church and that is what drew me to the name in the first place - no reflection on my parenting style!!!

I will continue to “judge” children on their behaviour and not a name that they had no say in.

This is why I think people should be more polite in online forums. If you think ugly thoughts, sooner or later they will pop out of your mouth.

If you had named them Arran because you wanted a 'unique' spelling of Aaron, then yes a bit naff. If you named Lewis because of a F1 driver then a bit naff. But you didn't so it's ok. They are half-scottish - it's not liked you called them Cristiano and Sebastian or something

Both are nice names. I think Aaron got tarred with the Darren/Karen/Sharon association but it's a biblical name that's been in use over the centuries.

And OP, many English people are probably not familiar with the Island of Arran - is your friend assuming you've used a weird spelling variation of Aaron? It's a completely different name. Can't imagine she's come across many Arrans with which to base her naughty assumption (I'm Scottish and only know of one. He's definitely not a naughty boy!)
(Not that there is anything wrong with Aaron either).

I’m a teacher and there are names I associate with naughtiness but neither of these would be on my radar at all. I don’t agree with the class based comments either and some of the ‘naughty’ names I have taught are names I love, like Dylan. But honestly every Dylan I have ever taught has been very naughty, in a somewhat cheeky sort of way rather than a horrid one, but drive you round the bend naughty nonetheless. Still love the name though.

OP, Arran and Lewis are both lovely names - I considered both myself. I do not associate them with 'naughty boys' at all. Is that code for 'lower social class'? I don't know. It baffles me to be honest, but it often seems to be Irish/Scottish names that are labelled 'naughty' by English people on MN. Your 'friend' does not sound a kind person. I hope you choose a third lovely Scottish name for your third child 😊

I thought you were going to say some truly terrible names! Arran and Lewis are lovely - especially when you mix the heritage in. Ignore said friend!

I'll go against the flow of the thread and say there are 'naughty boy's names' and 'mean girl's names', in that certain names will appeal to certain parents

Exactly.

Had you called them sensible, aspirational, names they'd be barristers or heart surgeons.

Potentially but not necessarily - it's not the name itself but the parenting the child receives.

(I know you were joking, but there may well be a correlation of preferred names linked to the style of parenting)

news.bbc.co.uk/1/mobile/education/8243684.stm

There may well be a correlation between behaviour and name - the type of parent who likes certain names may also have a certain style of parenting?

Lewis / Louis are not naughty boy names - they are cheeky (in a nice way) names

Naughty: Jayden
Kayden
Riley
Tyler
Cheeky (but possibly could be promoted up): Alfie
Connor
Callum
Kyle
Kai
Cheeky(nice): Charlie
Lewis
Louis
Eddie
Lovely (but not in a wimpy way): Matthew
Sam

This is all (100% true) IME (schools 15years +) but I agree with others that I wouldn't have said this to you

I never heard of this, but did do a google and saw a list that had naughty and nice names. Absurd opinions on there of ashes with some very lovely names listed as naughty.

ignore your friend and anyone who has that opinion.

@AtomHeartMotherOfGod , teachers are only human, and I expect that there are teachers out there who will have some sort of preconception of a child based on their name.

The NBNs aren't necessarily 'chavvy' - you are right, it's the parenting.

@takingmytimeonmyride , you see, that's where you went wrong. Had you called them sensible, aspirational, names they'd be barristers or heart surgeons.
[I think barristers and brain surgeons have all sort of names not just WASP ones]

It's rubbish. I know many children who don't fit the stereotype of 'naughty boy names' or indeed, 'well-behaved' names.

Classic names tend to be the latter, more contemporary ones the former. Parenting and shared values have far more important an impact on behaviour than any name.

I had a Lewis in my last class who was absolutely lovely. Thoughtful, respectful and engaged, but popular too. He was quietly confident in himself and felt no need to act out. No teacher worth their salt will form a prejudice against any child due to a name or even past behaviour, anyway.

Beautiful beautiful Scottish names ❤️ she is a walloper

2 of my boys have the naughtiest of naughty names (J & K) They are adults now. One works with children with SEN. The other has SEN and is still in education learning life skills, and is so happy and polite he charms everyone and everyone loves him. Both of them went through school without getting in trouble.

But they'll never be high court judges, oh no, devastated, so sad.

I'll go against the flow of the thread and say there are 'naughty boy's names' and 'mean girl's names', in that certain names will appeal to certain parents

Aaron/Aaron/Arun/Aron/Aran is borderline. Arran with a connection is let off the hook. Lewis is slightly because of the association with a celebrity, but again there's the scottish connection to let you off the hook

I think of NBNs as being celtic or other nationality names where there is only a tenuous connection, celebrity-inspired or surname/noun names, and more recently, the very religious names used by non-religious parents.

In my experience recently, the little boys and girls I've seen behaving annoyingly have had hipster names but I think maybe they were annoying because of 'the 'let them express their creativity parenting'.

@Perplexed0522, don't worry about it. I know a very affluent, well heeled, well spoken family with 3 children named after Scottish Islands: Arran, Iona and Ailsa.

I love place names as names if they are meaningful to the family. DD's middle name is after a part of the Peak District we used to live in. Mine is an overseas place where my DDad lived before I was born.

20 + years of working with children and in education and never have I heard those names being included in that description.

I've heard the concept and it's usually actually judgemental in that someone knows a child who happens to be PITA and also have what is (awfully imo) a chav name.

Yet for every child like this if you've had as much contact with children as I have you can find as many that are named the same and are perfectly acceptable members of society.

Your names are lovely.

My youngest is called Daniel. I made the mistake of mentioning this to my mum who immediately branded it a ‘naughty boy’s name’. We didn’t have another name we liked. It would be outing to tell the whole story but immediately after he was born something changed her mind and she apologised and said she thought it was the perfect name.

It is when I was so distraught with my mental health that I came very close to changing his name. Admittedly I had just been through a heelish time after he came out of PICU.
It brings everything back to me. How I felt at that time.
For the record his name is Kai. He loves his name as much as I do.

I’ve never come across the concept of “naughty names”
They are both lovely names with a beautiful meaning.