Oscar or Aidan

You're in Ireland OP? Definitely Aidan!

Or Oisín as a much much nicer alternative to Oscar!

Aiden can be a bit of a naughty boys name
What?

Another vote for Oscar.

They’re snobby and classist is what I meant. It’s a bit of a sad attitude.

I’m not snobbish in the slightest. Although I concede others are spouting the same snobby silliness. But then I think their snobby and classist and a bit sad too. For me I’d love them to come to my area and meet a wealth of wonderful children with all sorts of names. Perhaps it would open their minds and make them realise there are no naughty boy or naughty girl names and in fact judging people like that doesn’t make you look ‘aspirational’ or classy as I think some people believe. It makes you look small minded and stupid.

Or AidEn in my sons case

@Kanaloa , I didn't say that.

I'm not the only one mentioning NBN.
I'm probably no more snobbish than you are

Sure. It’s just that parents who don’t sent boundaries happen to choose these names, that’s what it is. And therefore nobody who wants a well behaved child can use any of those names. Keep telling yourself it’s not snobbery, it’s just that these specific people with these names are bad people.

@JenniferBarkley , the OP is in ireland, so that's great. Both names are fine but I prefer Aidan.

Aidan is similarly classless and timeless in Ireland as William, James etc are in England. Not new, not try hard, not down market.

@Kanaloa,Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

I don't think that names are 'naughty boy's names' (NBN) because they appeal to WC parents, I think they are NBN because they appeal to the sort of parents who don't set boundaries with their children.

The name being of a certain culture doesn't make it a NBN, and it probably isn't a NBN in that culture.

If I encountered a Jingle-Bells, I'd think 'what were the parents thinking?'

😂

What does you personally not knowing any Jacksons or Seo-joons have to do with the price of mauve eggs? My point was the op could pick a name out of a hat and give it to her child and it will not affect how naughty or otherwise that child is because her parenting will be the same whether the child is card John or Jasper or Jingle-Bells.

@Kanaloa, the names you suggested don't compare. William is a classless name and if I think of the Williams I know, they are mainly older men or 40-ish (same age as the prince) and most are Will and a few are Billy. I don't know any Jacksons IRL, but I do know many Jacks. The Sanjays I know are indian or british-indian. I don't know any Seo-joons.

And even if they had, why would association with the name Kaiden (which is basically a fine name anyway) ‘tarnish’ a nice Irish name? Especially when your main defence in the first place was ‘well we’re not in Ireland.’

I wish people would just be 100% straight. Like just come out and say ‘working class and poor people use that name so it makes me think of them. I don’t like them and wouldn’t want to be associated with them. I judge their children as ‘naughty’ because I associate poor people with being less-than.’ Then at least you’d be standing on your convictions.

Oscar!

I'm saying that Jayden and Kaiden might have tarnished a nice Irish name.

that is absolutely not what you were saying 😂

It is a thread for opinions but your opinions don’t make any sense. It’s because ‘we’re not Irish’ doesn’t make sense because relatively few people worldwide are English so some people might very well be Irish. Calling them ‘naughty boy names’ doesn’t make sense because op will raise this boy the exact same whether he’s called William or Aidan or Seo-joon or Jackson or Sanjay. So you knowing naughty children with that name really only means you know some naughty children. And calling them low-aspirational while also saying the ones you know are engineers and professors (so apparently had rather high aspirations) makes you look confused.

So yes it is a thread for opinions. But all your opinions are just weird roundabout ways to be snobby and they’re contradicting each other to boot.

@Kanaloa, it's a thread asking for opinions.

I can only go by names I hear. If I know lots of Darrens and one was a professor or something, then that is what I know.

The names I hear being shouted across the park or high street will how I view those names, and I don't have a positive view of them.

I'm not saying it because I am, or not, a snob, I'm saying that Jayden and Kaiden might have tarnished a nice Irish name.

@KirstenBlest you mentioned "managers" which is quite funny. There are Irish names in my family on one side and Managing would not have been what my Grandfather aspired to!

When I lived in England I was in London and no name ever caused anybody I met any serious trouble because the concept of The World out There is not baffling to most Londoners.

Mn not representative at all.

Quite.

People will literally twist themselves into a pretzel trying to explain away their snobbery with ‘no just the ones I’ve met are all naughty so it’s a naughty name. And it’s not aspirational but the ones I know are engineers and professors and really it’s only because we’re not in Ireland even though some people might be.’

@ComfyChairPose , I have no idea if Aidan is classless. I only know ones who are lower MC or WC. I only know one irish Aidan and he's about 60. The young Aidans I know are not the best behaved, but that might be coincidence

I don't know any Gilles at all. I suspect that if I knew someone thinking of calling their child Gilles when there was no french connection and they lived in Englad or Wales, I'd think they were twats had not considered the implication for the child. Is it Zheel or Jeels? Would the lad get called Gill/Gilly/Gillian etc. Being asked a lot if he had a french parent etc

The bit when you try to explain how it is "downmarket".

Omg the insular nonsense, Aidan is like John, it is class-less. I cannot deduce anything about Aidan or the parents of Aidan.

If you attribute "naughtyboy" to Aidan but not to, say the French name Gilles, then that's something you could look at.

@SoupDragon , which bit of that is *a lord of nonsense?'

I listed names that include people who have had jobs like Head of Engineering, Professor, Manager etc.

The popularity of the names were based on ONS figures, so only apply to England and Wales.