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Can you predict based on names?

115 replies

Xenaaa · 03/03/2022 11:04

Hello,

I have been reading the baby name forum a lot recently as I am expecting, and am surprised to see quite a few comments that associate certain names with class. I was not aware that class and baby names were linked at all!

Just out of curiosity what class are these girls names? Some of these names are on my list, and some are children or close acquaintances where I know what “class” they’re in.

I just want to know people can actually predict what class they’re in based on their child’s name.

Sienna
Aurelia
Sophia
Amelia
Evie
Ottilie
Amélie
Ophelia
Isla
Emmeline
Cassia
Ruby
Darcey

Interested to see if there are correct predictions!

(No offence meant in this post, all the above names are all beautiful and a lot of them are on my own personal list)

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nameisnotimportant · 04/03/2022 22:36

@RedWingBoots
I didn't say it was made up, I said it sounded made up. Surely everyone name was made up by someone, at some point

Blubells · 04/03/2022 22:07

Perhaps you should look into the origin of names before saying whether they are made up or not.

Believe it or not, but every single name was once made up!

RedWingBoots · 04/03/2022 22:05

[quote nameisnotimportant]@RedWingBoots I know who Emmeline Pankhurst is 🙄 and I am aware it is an actual name but it still sounds like a made up name to me. The OP asked for what the initial judgement is on her list of names.
I don't mix in narrow circles with a poor knowledge of history. Its interesting that it's clearly annoyed you that I have made a prejudgment on a name but then you have just publicly done exactly the same to me from my few comments. Pot... kettle [/quote]
Emmeline isn't a made up name.

Perhaps you should look into the origin of names before saying whether they are made up or not.

deadlanguage has actually listed some names that were made up and any girl given them is actually named after the first well-known person who had that name.

RedWingBoots · 04/03/2022 21:58

@ThatsNotMyGolem

Why is everyone so touchy about class? It's statistically proven that the different social classes tend to go for certain names.
How are you defining class in 21st century UK?

Like this
greatbritishmag.co.uk/uk-culture/what-is-the-british-class-system/
or this - www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34766169#include-4

nameisnotimportant · 04/03/2022 21:43

@Xenaaa
Just choose the name you like the best and has the most meaning to you. People will always have pre judgements for names based on their upbringing, trends, education, travel experience, experience in school, celebrity culture etc but your child will be her own person and people will get to know her. I don't meet a Sophia and think urgh you must be horrible because that girl in high school was called Sophia. I meet someone called Sophia( I literally think of that girl in high school for a second) and then the thought leaves and i get to know the new Sophia. It wouldn't then cross my mind again.

nameisnotimportant · 04/03/2022 21:39

@RedWingBoots I know who Emmeline Pankhurst is 🙄 and I am aware it is an actual name but it still sounds like a made up name to me. The OP asked for what the initial judgement is on her list of names.
I don't mix in narrow circles with a poor knowledge of history. Its interesting that it's clearly annoyed you that I have made a prejudgment on a name but then you have just publicly done exactly the same to me from my few comments. Pot... kettle

Xenaaa · 04/03/2022 21:37

@Leeloo1233

Thank you for your honest feedback

I really love Amélie , and the film! I feel that Amelia sounds pretty but has become sooo overused. Whilst Amélie is still unique and has a certain chicness to it.

But now I feel like all the names I like have a similar feel! Aurelia/Ophelia/ottilie are all not typically English and have that European feel. I wonder if it’s still “try hard” to use those names too.

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Leeloo1233 · 04/03/2022 20:20

And the few Amélies I know are definitely from middle class families

Leeloo1233 · 04/03/2022 20:20

We also had Amélie in our list but I always felt like it was little bit of a cliche name. Even though my dh is French! But in France it's mega dated and I always felt like it was a name that was a bit too try-hard. Like a person who wants to be international but has been to Paris once and seen the film Amélie would call their kid that. So a bit embarrasing. But it is a beautiful name and that's just how I felt.

deadlanguage · 04/03/2022 18:21

@Blubells not necessarily but if you went to eg Florence a lot wouldn’t it be weird/confusing that you named your child it? Brooklyn is weirder because it’s not the nicest place either, like naming your child Hackney.
Charlotte doesn’t count as it was named after the person (likewise Victoria, Carolina, Adelaide etc)

Kanaloa · 04/03/2022 18:19

@ThatsNotMyGolem

Why is everyone so touchy about class? It's statistically proven that the different social classes tend to go for certain names.
I don’t think people are touchy about class, but these threads are engineered for people to pile on with ‘chavvy/tacky/common’ at normal names. It’s not people making an observation, it’s people making a nasty observation and saying x name is bad because it’s associated with the working classes. Or ‘chavvy’ or ‘naughty boy’ etc. The associations made with the working classes in these threads aren’t good ones.
Blubells · 04/03/2022 18:16

I think there’s a general perception that if you give a place name you probably don’t travel (there) much or it would be weird - marking you out as perhaps less wealthy.

So parents of these are all poor ConfusedHmm

Brooklyn
Florence
Sofia
Sienna
Charlotte

deadlanguage · 04/03/2022 18:16

With my last paragraph, that should be read as ‘more popular with working class’ etc. A name obviously doesn’t make you a certain class. Also interesting to look at the birth announcements in different papers, I get the Times and you definitely see more Ottilies than Darceys.

Kanaloa · 04/03/2022 18:15

This is a trash thread. Why on earth would you want people to slate kids’ names as being chavvy/posh etc etc? Because that’s all this thread would encourage.

If you’re so super duper interested get funding and undertake an official survey.

deadlanguage · 04/03/2022 18:13

@Xenaaa

Interesting thank you, I’ll take a look.

This post wasn’t meant to be offensive, I truly was interested.

Most of the above names I would say are on trend…but interested why a certain cohort may pick certain names, and another cohort pick others.

For example I love the name Sienna but read on here that it’s downmarket? Why is Sienna “downmarket” and Sophia not? It’s all quite confusing…

I think there’s a general perception that if you give a place name you probably don’t travel (there) much or it would be weird - marking you out as perhaps less wealthy. Of course this doesn’t always apply, for example Florence Nightingale was named after the city of her birth, and some immigrants like to give a name linked to their home country (eg Kenya or Cairo).

On the other hand, names from Latin or Greek (such as Aurelia or Sophia), or from historical or literary figures (such as Emmeline or Ophelia) might be perceived as implying a higher level of education and therefore a higher class.

If I had to judge, I would say Darcey, Isla, Ruby and Sienna on your list were more working class and Ottilie, Cassia, Emmeline, Aurelia and Ophelia are more middle class. The others are fairly classless.

SouthParkCovid · 04/03/2022 18:11

Horrible thread, should be deleted.

Blubells · 04/03/2022 17:55

Why is everyone so touchy about class? It's statistically proven that the different social classes tend to go for certain names.

Because the concept of 'class' is actually comical if you really think about it. We can't even define what it's based on - education, intelligence, money, being famous, having a title....Confused

And it's very narrow minded to pre judge a person solely based on their name?

ThatsNotMyGolem · 04/03/2022 17:13

Why is everyone so touchy about class? It's statistically proven that the different social classes tend to go for certain names.

ZoyaTheDestroyer · 04/03/2022 15:56

There’s a fairly well-established phenomenon identified by Gladwell in Freakonomics that names begin with popularity in higher social status groups and then ‘trickle down’. Therefore if you take Sienna as an example, which used to be very rare but has gradually built in popularity over the last twenty-ish years, a twenty-something Sienna is more likely to be from a MC or UMC background than a three-year-old Sienna, who could be from a much wider social background.

Erinyes · 04/03/2022 15:25

@Blubells

It’s a pretty standard-issue list, though, OP. With the possible exception of the rather downmarket Darcey

Really Shock

Are you serious or joking?

Joking about Darcey being downmarket? It’s a fairly widespread opinion, certainly not unique to me. See other threads about it on here.
RedWingBoots · 04/03/2022 15:19

@nameisnotimportant So Emmeline Pankhurst was a made up person then?

You clearly mix in very narrow circles with a poor knowledge of history.

Xenaaa · 04/03/2022 14:52

Thank youu!

I’m so surprised by darcey, ruby, Sienna and Isla!

Sienna, Isla, ottilie, Amélie, Emmeline, Aurélia and cassia were the ones on my personal list

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nameisnotimportant · 04/03/2022 14:42

I judge names all the time. I personally think everyone does to some extent otherwise we wouldn't put so much thought into choosing baby names. I think it's shaped by the people you meet with those names. The names that celebrities choose, I always thing that people with more than two middle names are incredibly rich. I don't know why, probably because royalty seem to have huge names.

Sienna - Chavy
Aurelia - I think of a little girl that day dreams a lot or hippy parents.
Sophia - I knew a girl in high school that was horrible so I just don't like this name.

Amelia - overused middle class

Evie - overused
Ottilie - upperclass
Amélie - French, trying to be a little bit different but still choose a popular name. Probably my favourite on your list and it has a lot of workable nicknames.
Ophelia - very upper class
Isla - working class and a very common name
Emmeline - sounds made up
Cassia - I think of hippy parents who are into star signs
Ruby - Chavy
Darcey - when I was younger I thought this was upper class but it seems to be more working class currently.

Blubells · 04/03/2022 14:32

It’s a pretty standard-issue list, though, OP. With the possible exception of the rather downmarket Darcey

Really Shock

Are you serious or joking?

Erinyes · 04/03/2022 14:31

And I can think of Sophias/Sofias I know of no less than five different nationalities.

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