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Ready for everyone to come at me, but...

112 replies

Tucancrossing · 21/12/2021 20:08

...why on earth do some people not understand that they're naming a person who will be a child for a decade but an adult for the vast majority of their life?!

A friend of a friend just named her baby Ralphie... full name on birth certificate. I actually think it's a very cute nickname for a little one, but real name Ralph, surely?! Imagine being a 45 year old man trying to be taken seriously with a child's nickname 😬

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toastofthetown · 22/12/2021 10:01

[quote Allsorts1]@toastofthetown there’s nothing cutesy about the name Condoleeza though. And I’m agree that having a cutesy name doesn’t hold you back from succeeding as a ballerina so the Misty example doesn’t really refute my point.

Totally agree that women shouldn’t have to fit a certain mould to be successful but I do think it is anti feminist that boys are given sensible names and girls are given names that really can’t be taken seriously outside of the creative industries.

But maybe as names like Peaches become more common we will have a prime minister Peaches and I’ll be proven wrong! Smile[/quote]
But why is a different name needed to succeed as a dancer than a politician? And I don’t know why you are talking about boys being given sensible names when the whole point of this thread is to insult a baby boy’s name. Nicknames as full names are very common for both sexes. Not just girls. And I still don’t know why someone’s name means that they can’t be taken seriously. Why can’t a Peaches be prime minister? Just seems to me the typical sexism where femininity is seen as a bad thing to be avoided. Do you think Albie or Ralphie could be prime minister?

StColumbofNavron · 22/12/2021 09:55

@TerribleCustomerCervix

I’m not a mad fan of nicknames instead of full names on birth certs, but I can see PP’s logic that given how popular a trend it is, there’s going to be loads of adult Tommys/ Archie’s/ Poppys/Maisie’s in 30/40 years.

What does really irk me is when people pick a name that is just so “out there” that is obviously been chosen with no consideration for the poor person who’s going to have to use it for the next 70+ years. There’s a small business I follow on Instagram and the owner has just called her newborn son Bucky. Imagine going through life being called a nickname of a popular fortified wine.

The idea that in years to come (or even now) people will be equating ‘Bucky’ with fortified wine is ridiculous. It will be the Winter Soldier.

That said, I know some kids with some very out there names and they all suit their names. Some have even grown up and are still ok.

WhoppingBigBackside · 22/12/2021 09:49

@Allsorts1

I totally agree. I think for female babies as well, it’s anti feminist to give your daughter a name that she could never use to be the president/prime minister with if she needed to one day. If you want something super cutesy then do a middle name but give her options!
What sort of names do presidents and prime ministers have?

We have cabinet ministers and a PM with namaes like Liz (a nn), Priti, Steve (a nn), Boris (a nn), Kwasi, Alok, Anne-Marie, Therese, Nadhim, Grant, Dominic, Kit, Michelle etc.

Allsorts1 · 22/12/2021 09:40

@toastofthetown there’s nothing cutesy about the name Condoleeza though. And I’m agree that having a cutesy name doesn’t hold you back from succeeding as a ballerina so the Misty example doesn’t really refute my point.

Totally agree that women shouldn’t have to fit a certain mould to be successful but I do think it is anti feminist that boys are given sensible names and girls are given names that really can’t be taken seriously outside of the creative industries.

But maybe as names like Peaches become more common we will have a prime minister Peaches and I’ll be proven wrong! Smile

toastofthetown · 22/12/2021 08:48

@Allsorts1

I totally agree. I think for female babies as well, it’s anti feminist to give your daughter a name that she could never use to be the president/prime minister with if she needed to one day. If you want something super cutesy then do a middle name but give her options!
Condoleezza Rice became Secretary of State. Marijuana Pepsi Vandyck has a PhD (interestingly on the effect of uncommon African American names). Misty Copeland is a principal dancer at a prestigious ballet company. Many women have succeeded in life with unusual or cutesy names. I think it’s more anti feminist to suggest that women need to fit a particular mould to be successful.
Allsorts1 · 22/12/2021 08:34

I totally agree. I think for female babies as well, it’s anti feminist to give your daughter a name that she could never use to be the president/prime minister with if she needed to one day. If you want something super cutesy then do a middle name but give her options!

ufucoffee · 22/12/2021 08:26

I'm not a fan of surnames for first names. Harrison, Clark, Blake etc.

blessedbethechocolate · 22/12/2021 08:16

I don't think you can win with names as there's always someone who doesn't like it. I named my sons after grandparents and was told they were too old mannish for babies. Funny thing is one of them is classed as "not a real name" on this thread.

toastofthetown · 22/12/2021 08:07

I don’t think it’s wrong to discuss which styles of names we do or don’t like. I have a problem with people who think that their taste in the names is the correct one and that other people’s children are subjected to a terrible fate if they aren’t called Thomas and Charlotte. It also seems mean-spirited to me to start a thread to ridicule a specific child’s name.

Needdoughnuts · 22/12/2021 08:05

My g-g-g-granddad's first name was Harrison (b.1813) and his son had Harrison as a middle name. I wonder if my g-g-g-g-grandma got judged when she called him in for his tea? Grin

IKissedSantaClaus · 22/12/2021 07:53

I'm not sure it's nasty to discuss what style of names people like or dislike on a board about baby names? Everyone likes different things and has different opinions, that's ok and has been represented on here with different posts.

It's a MN crime to use a surname as a first name, which I've done with my DS. I love it and get compliments on it regularly. MN opinion would likely differ. It's not nasty! It's just a reminder that MN is wrong sometimes Wink

Popopopo · 22/12/2021 07:51

Just because you don't like a trend, doesnt make it wrong or bad taste. I think it will probably become dated and associated with men of a certain age in the future, a bit like Nigel or Keith are now (ie always in their 50s)

frazzledfragglefromfragglerock · 22/12/2021 07:47

@halloweenie13

Agree, it's embarrassing when I see someone name their child something like 'benny' 'river' or 'tyler' or 'tessie', it's sweet for child hood but not very appropriate or professional for work and will not get you very far with certain associated names... However some names above are great as they are more common as the nickname versions and not as the originals, like 'alfie' , 'lucie' , 'harry' etc
Lucie/Lucy is a full name and has been for well over 100 years!
girafferafferaffe · 22/12/2021 07:24

People are so fucking nasty on here sometimes

liveforsummer · 22/12/2021 07:19

I'm not sure I agree with Archie. I know a good few elderly rugged farmer types who are Archie so to me it escapes the cutesy association. It's a name that has been used for a long time - unlike Ralphie which I agree is ridiculous

toastofthetown · 22/12/2021 07:05

@Bigboysmademedoit

Better than K-a (K’dasha) - yep, it’s realXmas Shock
No it’s not.
Bubblty · 22/12/2021 05:29

I agree. I don't like cutesy girls names either.

TinselTitsAndGlitteryBits · 22/12/2021 05:21

@toastofthetown

Very few people are going come at you; your view is shared by most people on Mumsnet. The problem I have with this thought is that the -ie/-y nickname as a full name trend is an incredibly popular one, has been for some time and shows no signs of decreasing in popularity. In the top 100 in England and Wales in 2020 are Harry, Archie, Charlie, Freddie, Alfie, Tommy, Teddy, Albie, Reggie, Ronnie, Frankie, Bobby, Sonny, Ollie, Rosie, Evie, Elsie, Millie, Maisie, Hallie, Molly, Lottie and Ellie. And many many more further down the rankings. This means that the 'but what about when they are an adult?' question doesn't really make any sense as there will be literally thousands of adults with these names. Of course names will work for adults because of the volume of adults with those names.

That doesn't mean you have to like them. Personally they aren't the style of name I would choose, but I don't assume that my taste is the correct one. Does the friend of friend know you are ridiculing her new baby's name on an online forum?

My name is on that list and I'm in my late 30s.

I think it suits me as an adult, and people I speak to say it's a lovely name.
I don't think it's cutesy Xmas Grin

halloweenie13 · 22/12/2021 04:42

Agree, it's embarrassing when I see someone name their child something like 'benny' 'river' or 'tyler' or 'tessie', it's sweet for child hood but not very appropriate or professional for work and will not get you very far with certain associated names... However some names above are great as they are more common as the nickname versions and not as the originals, like 'alfie' , 'lucie' , 'harry' etc

TheHungriestMama · 22/12/2021 04:33

Each to their own (within reason). Barring names that are offensive, I can't get worked up about this.

I have a name that is incredibly unused, think mythology, and on MN and IRL people often say annoying stuff like 'Bet you got bullied/don't you hate saying it at work/did you find it hard to get a job/bet you'll want to call your own kids something normal'

1.) Nope I wasn't bullied. FYI, bullies often seek out vulnerable traits in others, your name could be Emma and if they feel you're a target they won't hesitate due to your normal name.
2.) Don't mind saying it at work why would I, no word of a lie I've only ever had issues with it from low key racists and close minded people.
3.) Nope, never struggled for work
4.) Nope, DD also has an unusual name.

Perhaps we need a list of MN approved names...

PissedOffNeighbour22 · 22/12/2021 04:30

I went out with a Ralph and he referred to himself as Ralphie. Don't know why but it made me feel queasy. Very childish sounding nickname - not appropriate as a 'proper' name.

MinnieJackson · 22/12/2021 04:26

Harrison is a full name though. It means 'son of Harry' I quite like it.

VitalsStable · 22/12/2021 04:25

[quote Tucancrossing]@LadyWithLapdog no, that would be better. This is ral-fee.[/quote]
No I don't think Ray fee is any better 😂. Raif on its own but with the extra bit added on sounds even more ridiculous than a Ralphie.

Tomlettegregg · 22/12/2021 04:11

Also some of you should look at the most popular American names and you'd really have a heart attack. I watch teen mom and none of those kids have normal names. Hazelee. Amour. I'm sure they'll be fine.

Tomlettegregg · 22/12/2021 04:09

Some of these examples are batshit. There's nothing wrong with being a Harry or Charlie as an adult. Stop being ridiculous.

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