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How to pronounce Talia

338 replies

GemLooper · 06/10/2021 20:50

Would you say Tah-lee-uh or tar-lee-uh?

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TwinsandTrifle · 07/10/2021 08:52

Yes, I agree that KM’s accent is markedly different from Morgan’s

See, with these two, the underlying accent (or no accent) is the same to me. They speak the same, but he is more loud, and she is more "posh". Does that make sense? If Morgan was less foghorn, he'd sound akin to KM.

MrsRobbieHart · 07/10/2021 08:51

@TwinsandTrifle

Imagine ‘barley’ said in an Irish accent. It really doesn’t sound like Bali.

Christing Christ. Facepalm at some of these comments. Please go on the basic foundation that most of us have left our twee villages and seen the sights of the town next door Hmm

Yes, Barley in an Irish accent, doesn't sound like Bali. It's because it's in an Irish accent!!! Remove the accent. Irish, Glaswegian, or whichever. Now how do you say it.

😂😂😂😂

How can you remove an accent? Are you seriously saying you have no accent? I bet if you spoke I could guess roughly where youre from.

TwinsandTrifle · 07/10/2021 08:47

"I'd say Kate Middleton has a received pronunciation accent. It's not necessarily linked to a region or location, but it's still an accent.*

That's sort of what I mean. She just pronounces her words properly.

A Glaswegian person speaks words perfectly in a Glaswegian accent. KM speaks words perfectly with no geographical link.

shrugshrug · 07/10/2021 08:46

Tah lee ah

JassyRadlett · 07/10/2021 08:40

Yes, I agree that KM’s accent is markedly different from Morgan’s (he’s done a Prince William with his accent). And Cowell is different again, in the eastern Home Counties split where it has slightly more of an Estuary sound in some vowels.

I can’t bring Freddie Mercury’s speaking voice to mind but it feels fairly safe to suggest that (like me) it wasn’t the accent he was born with.

minatrina · 07/10/2021 08:40

@flowery

Tah-lee-uh or tar-lee-uh

Those would surely sound exactly the same in any English non-rhotic accent? Certainly would for me!

I assumed that the "Tah" was intended to mean an 'a' sound rhyming with cat Smile
stillcrazyafterall · 07/10/2021 08:40

@OhLordyWhatNow

I'm southern. There's no R in Bath, grass, or father
No 'r' in grass?? Confused

I'm SW and we pronounce the long 'a' so Barth, farther, grass, arse.

cricketmum84 · 07/10/2021 08:39

Ok I have said both in my head multiple times and they both sound exactly the same in my head!!

Is it a Yorkshire thing?

flowery · 07/10/2021 08:39

Tah-lee-uh or tar-lee-uh

Those would surely sound exactly the same in any English non-rhotic accent? Certainly would for me!

TwinsandTrifle · 07/10/2021 08:38

Of course English people have an English accent. Just like Americans have an American accent or the Irish have an Irish accent. Or Scots a Scottish accent.

These are all encompassing terms for people that come from that location. People in America have an "American" accent. People from Scotland all have Scottish accents, but they are eg Glaswegian, or Edinburgh accents, which have very different sounds.

I know what I mean, it's hard to explain. Sort of, that being able to identify someone is English, by their voice, doesn't mean they have an accent. The country isn't an accent within that country?

RichardMarxisinnocent · 07/10/2021 08:36

@TwinsandTrifle

Everybody has an accent! There isn't one standard or default accent around which everyone else varies you know.

What accent(s) do the following have? Because it seems that people are just adding a location (eg London) to imply there's some sort of accent, when they mean "cockney" which does not apply to most Londoners.

Piers Morgan
Simon Cowell
Kate Middleton
Freddie Mercury

(I know a bizarre mix, but trying to pick nationally famous people who's voices are easy to repeat in your head)

I'd say Kate Middleton has a received pronunciation accent. It's not necessarily linked to a region or location, but it's still an accent. Piers Morgan is from Surrey and his accent does sound to me like people I know from Surrey so I'd say he has a Surrey accent.
Geamhradh · 07/10/2021 08:35
Grin
JassyRadlett · 07/10/2021 08:34

@Geamhradh

Crossed with *@JassyRadlett* Brew Mornin'
Always a pleasure, @Geamhradh. Depending on how the thread goes, it might be Wine before long…
Darceyhemingway · 07/10/2021 08:34

Tah-Lee-Uh

JassyRadlett · 07/10/2021 08:33

That makes more sense than adding an R!

To you, sure. To non-rhotics it would make perfect sense.

A little more thought and willingness to bend on both sides is probably needed here. For a non-rhotic, a bit of ‘how will people who pronounce Rs read this?’ For a rhotic, ‘I wonder if there is any chance at all that the poster is one of those many people who don’t pronounce the R at the end of a lot of vowel sounds?’

Blubells · 07/10/2021 08:30

They live in England. They dont have an accent.

They have an English accent Hmm

Geamhradh · 07/10/2021 08:28

Crossed with @JassyRadlett Brew Mornin'

Geamhradh · 07/10/2021 08:28

@Blubells

It’s because most folk don’t know the IPA symbol for what they’re trying to get across (in this case ɑː)

Maybe we should all learn them!

T ɑ:lia

That makes more sense than adding an R!

/tæli:a/ Is how my student pronounces her name tbf. But, yes, quite.

@TwinsandTrifle

"They live in England. They dont have an accent. People are confusing location with meaning it has an accent The people I listed don't have one."

Please stop. You're making yourself look more and more ignorant with every post.

Piers Morgan- he's quite interesting as his accent was a lot more RP some years ago. I'd say, but don't know, he's done some voice coaching to be more down with the plebs.

Simon Cowell- normal fairly standard southern estuary. Slips into a bit of a US twang on certain words, only to be expected after spending such lengths of time there.

Kate Middleton- coached since she was born to speak the way she does. Has much more of an RP accent than her husband.

Freddie Mercury- a naturalised British Citizen born in Zanzibar. But, ultimately, standard SE for him too.

JassyRadlett · 07/10/2021 08:25

@TwinsandTrifle

You can’t take away an accent and have a neutral/pure pronunciation

Well of course you can. Like the phonetic bit you get after each word in the dictionary. Where it goes:

Blah blah. Verb/noun. "Blaar Blaar"

That thing Grin

Most decent dictionaries use IPA first.

And that doesn’t mean no accent, it’s talking about the standard/dominant accent (or the accent historically considered to be standard/proper - strong class overtones here) in the dictionary’s primary market. So an American or Australian dictionary will list different pronunciations; for many words dictionaries list more than one way to pronounce a word.

The people you’ve mentioned are mainly Standard Southern English/RP if you’re taking a modern/inclusive view of RP. There is accent variation between them of course.

RP is an accent, not the absence of one.

TwinsandTrifle · 07/10/2021 08:25

@LizzieAnt I appreciate you're not English, so you're answering as if we all sound the same because we're "English" this isn't the case. I asked a specific question regarding well known voices, and you came on to say "I haven't heard of most of them, so I'm guessing they sound like this". With respect that completely glossed over the exact point.

Blubells · 07/10/2021 08:22

Of course English people have an English accent. Just like Americans have an American accent or the Irish have an Irish accent. Or Scots a Scottish accent.

An accent is a way of pronouncing a language. It is therefore impossible to speak without an accent.

LizzieAnt · 07/10/2021 08:21

Oh dear.

TwinsandTrifle · 07/10/2021 08:11

English people have English accents.

They live in England. They dont have an accent. People are confusing location with meaning it has an accent The people I listed don't have one.

An English person who lives in Norfolk, °could^ have a thick Norfolk accent. They don't have an "English accent" they have a "Norfolk accent."

LizzieAnt · 07/10/2021 08:01

@TwinsandTrifle

Everybody has an accent! There isn't one standard or default accent around which everyone else varies you know.

What accent(s) do the following have? Because it seems that people are just adding a location (eg London) to imply there's some sort of accent, when they mean "cockney" which does not apply to most Londoners.

Piers Morgan
Simon Cowell
Kate Middleton
Freddie Mercury

(I know a bizarre mix, but trying to pick nationally famous people who's voices are easy to repeat in your head)

A variety of English accents I'm guessing? I haven't heard them all speak (I'm not in the UK).

A strange question...
What point are you trying to make?
That some of them have no accent?
That's just not true, you know. English people have English accents.

RichardMarxisinnocent · 07/10/2021 07:58

@LizzieAnt

People with other accents do sound the r and so for them tar does not sound like ta or rhyme with la.

It's not just the 'r' that's the issue though RichardMarxisInnocent. The 'a' sound is different too. So I think the way I pronounce ta is different to the way you say ta. For me it rhymes with la as in Lala (the teletubby), not the note.

Good point, and now that you say it I think I can hear in my head the different way it would be pronounced.
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