Page 6 | How to pronounce Talia

GemLooper · 2021-10-06T19:50:33+00:00

Would you say Tah-lee-uh or tar-lee-uh?

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Geamhradh · 07/10/2021 10:11

@TwinsandTrifle
Daniel Radcliffe has also been voice coached to within an inch of his life. He went to one of the poshest schools in the country and is an ACTOR. Accents is his job! If you listen in early interviews, he's another one who has almost at times "mocknied" himself (see Oliver: Jamie for reference) and then, the HP character is different again.
Do you genuinely not hear the differences in the accents of the people you give as examples?

Geamhradh · 07/10/2021 10:08

@LizzieAnt

The letter a makes more than two sounds anyway.

The "a" in both "cake" and "ate" is part of the /ei/ diphthong. Long "a" (letter) is phonetically /a:/ (car, bar, grass (if you're a southern softy

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JulesRimetStillGleaming · 07/10/2021 10:07

Ok. I'd say the first syllable of Talia like I'd say Tarquin. Does that help?

Kerikerikeri · 07/10/2021 10:07

Would never ever think to add in an R!

Ta - Lee - a

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 07/10/2021 10:05

In which case, I'd say it with a long A

LizzieAnt · 07/10/2021 10:04

The letter a makes more than two sounds anyway.

LizzieAnt · 07/10/2021 10:03

@steppemum

I sometimes wonder if people on mn have ever read anything else on mn.

I mean this r thing comes up EVER SINGLE TIME anyone asks about pronunciation.

Most of the time I feel sure people are doing it just to make a point.

So, we all know, there are 2 A sounds. Let's just call them a long A (as in carpet - whether or not you say the rrr, it is still a long A) and a short A sound as in caravan - again, doesn't matter how you say the r)

Reception age children can understand long A and short A.
It is pretty basic.

So, the actual question was about which pronounciation people use.

There are two, one with long A and one with a short A.
There you go, no need to have a debate about rr at all.

I say the first syllable of carpet and caravan the same

I thought the a in cake or ape was the long a sound?

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GemLooper · 07/10/2021 10:01

@cricketmum84

Tut tut *@GemLooper* now look what you have started! 😂

Oh dear. Sorry everyone - I shouldn't have used the letter 'r' in my two pronunciation options. Perhaps should have used the long A sound verse Short A sound distinction.

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LizzieAnt · 07/10/2021 09:59

@TwinsandTrifle
Well, apparently Daniel Radcliffe has described his own accent as a 'boring, middle-of-the road English' one

riotlady · 07/10/2021 09:55

@TwinsandTrifle

RP is an accent just as much as Glaswegian, West Country or cockney

Where does a Glaswegian accent come from?
Glasgow. Hence the name.

Where does a RP accent come from.
No specific area.

I think it's whether you view accents as regional dialects, which I do. Or "posh sounding" as an accent too. Which I don't.

How would people describe Daniel Radcliffe's accent? There's no specific region it jumps too. Again, you can eliminate a lot of accents that he doesn't have. He's not got the "plum in his mouth" of someone like KM.

So if someone spoke with an American accent, but you couldn’t pinpoint the exact spot in the US they came from, would you say they don’t have an accent?

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 07/10/2021 09:55

Great to see that English exceptionalism is one industry maintaining a post-Brexit boom.

steppemum · 07/10/2021 09:54

I sometimes wonder if people on mn have ever read anything else on mn.

I mean this r thing comes up EVER SINGLE TIME anyone asks about pronunciation.

Most of the time I feel sure people are doing it just to make a point.

So, we all know, there are 2 A sounds. Let's just call them a long A (as in carpet - whether or not you say the rrr, it is still a long A) and a short A sound as in caravan - again, doesn't matter how you say the r)

Reception age children can understand long A and short A.
It is pretty basic.

So, the actual question was about which pronounciation people use.

There are two, one with long A and one with a short A.
There you go, no need to have a debate about rr at all.

cricketmum84 · 07/10/2021 09:53

Tut tut @GemLooper now look what you have started! 😂

minatrina · 07/10/2021 09:52

@TwinsandTrifle

RP is an accent just as much as Glaswegian, West Country or cockney

Where does a Glaswegian accent come from?
Glasgow. Hence the name.

Where does a RP accent come from.
No specific area.

I think it's whether you view accents as regional dialects, which I do. Or "posh sounding" as an accent too. Which I don't.

How would people describe Daniel Radcliffe's accent? There's no specific region it jumps too. Again, you can eliminate a lot of accents that he doesn't have. He's not got the "plum in his mouth" of someone like KM.

There is a region it relates to. The south east of England. It doesn't make it any less related to the SE just because some people from other places come to adopt the accent.

TwinsandTrifle · 07/10/2021 09:48

RP is an accent just as much as Glaswegian, West Country or cockney

Where does a Glaswegian accent come from?
Glasgow. Hence the name.

Where does a RP accent come from.
No specific area.

I think it's whether you view accents as regional dialects, which I do. Or "posh sounding" as an accent too. Which I don't.

How would people describe Daniel Radcliffe's accent? There's no specific region it jumps too. Again, you can eliminate a lot of accents that he doesn't have. He's not got the "plum in his mouth" of someone like KM.

MrsRobbieHart · 07/10/2021 09:42

Ah whatever, I just googled people I think of having distinctive voices and that's what she's listed as. You're being pedantic now.

Nah I was having a joke pet. Take your RP stick out of your ass and have a laugh why don’t you.

TwinsandTrifle · 07/10/2021 09:40

@MrsRobbieHart

Nadine Coyle. Londonderry accent.

Nadine might beg to differ

Ah whatever, I just googled people I think of having distinctive voices and that's what she's listed as. You're being pedantic now. The point is, it's a heavy regional dialect. As opposed to pronunciation with no geographical link.

SionnachRua · 07/10/2021 09:39

@MrsRobbieHart

Nadine Coyle. Londonderry accent.

Nadine might beg to differ

Only word in English with the first 6 letters silent

SionnachRua · 07/10/2021 09:38

Saying English people have English accents isn't glossing over the point, it is the point - because you seem to think some don't.

Yep. And again, the English aren't unique in having a wide variety of accents bracketed under 'English accent'. Derry, Kerry, South and North Dublin - all have huge variety, all still Irish accents.

Holy God, I didn't expect this to be such a hard concept for some.

ILoveShula · 07/10/2021 09:37

Tahl-ya

MrsRobbieHart · 07/10/2021 09:37

Nadine Coyle. Londonderry accent.

Nadine might beg to differ

bookworm14 · 07/10/2021 09:37

There is no ‘default accent’. RP is an accent just as much as Glaswegian, West Country or cockney. RP as we know it hasn’t even been around that long; the ‘southern’ English accent used to be much more rhotic.

minatrina · 07/10/2021 09:37

@TwinsandTrifle

I haven't "worked hard" not to have an accent. Just as I'm sure someone hasn't worked hard to have a Mancunian accent.

I just can't understand why the sneering and projecting somehow it's snobbery at the clear difference between:

Nadine Coyle. Londonderry accent.
Noel Gallagher. Mancunian accent.
Cilla Black. Liverpudlian accent.

And KM (which I think is a bad example because it's being too connected with her status as a royal) so how about Daniel Radcliffe. John Cleese. "Received pronunciation with no geographical link"

The last is not speaking with any geographical association. The first 3 are

It's still an accent, regardless of whether you think there's a geographical location

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 07/10/2021 09:36

Came to say in my accent those two pronunciations are the same.

I see a whole debate is already raging.

*backs out of thread slowly

LizzieAnt · 07/10/2021 09:36

[quote TwinsandTrifle]@LizzieAnt I appreciate you're not English, so you're answering as if we all sound the same because we're "English" this isn't the case. I asked a specific question regarding well known voices, and you came on to say "I haven't heard of most of them, so I'm guessing they sound like this". With respect that completely glossed over the exact point.[/quote]
I didn't say I hadn't heard most of them speak, I said I hadn't heard all of them speak. I haven't heard Kate Middleton speak to be precise. I'm Irish, we watch a lot of British television and I'm familiar with a wide range of British accents. Nobody speaks without one.

Saying English people have English accents isn't glossing over the point, it is the point - because you seem to think some don't.

I know what I mean, it's hard to explain

Don't worry, I know exactly what you mean. It's depressing though.