How to pronounce Talia

So. (Apologies again if this is wrong, I still don't think I get it, and it's not through your lack of explanation, something is just not clicking with me, and contrary to my complete inability to grasp this thread, I'm not a complete dimwit usually)

Northern. Large area of UK, under which all regional dialects, are Northern accents.

Mancunian. Specific (small) regional dialect. Mancunian accent.

RP. Non regional dialect. (As many of the regions in the South have regional dialect, not RP). RP accent.

You don't have to fall under a regional dialect. You do have to fall under an accent.

If you are Southern England, and don't have any regional dialect, you are RP.

(Tell me that's fucking right, for the love of God)

Forget England for a moment and think of another country. In Scotland there is the accent that the middle class speak and the working class accents from different areas. The <a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dj11YFdS7hwY&ved=2ahUKEwivmYWsprjzAhUFhv0HHWzYCb8QwqsBegQIGhAE&usg=AOvVaw0yG9tflixBKwHi-Z0FNBig" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Glasgow University accent is a good example of the modern version, or for a slightly more old fashioned version Richard Wilson. It's the accent of the upper middle class of Edinburgh really, with all the same connotations as RP, just think of <a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DCXA0N55c3iw&ved=2ahUKEwjizP3brLjzAhUILsAKHVt1BgQQo7QBegQICxAE&usg=AOvVaw0Ds7CM9Iuu-V48cab-jryp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Miss Jean Brodie.

Yes. Two different subsets (more, tbh) of a single accent, itself a subset of British English.

Same as there are different flavours of RP/SSE/SSB, which are subsets, and RP/SSE/SSB it itself a broad accent/dialect group within British English.

However RP has much deeper class associations than the variations within regional dialects, as discussed. Its origins are both class and regional in nature.

I agree RP is not the only accent tied to social status. I don't know about the UK, but within Irish cities there are a few different accents linked to different social groups. There are at least two Dublin accents that are very different from one another, for example. I'd certainly call them distinct accents, though they're both Dublin.

Accents, definitionally, are 'a distinctive way of pronouncing a language, especially one associated with a particular country, area, or social class.'

Now. This helps.

Because I would only see an accent as a regional dialect. Liverpudlian accent. You're from Liverpool. Plummy accent, not a regional accent. You can't be from "Plummy". All dialects can sound posh I think. So you could get a posh Mancunian and a standard Mancunian voice. And to me that's perceived class not accent. In the same way, I wouldn't say chav was an accent. But (and please don't get hung up on terminology, see the bigger point) there could be posh Norfolk and chavvy Norfolk. I'd see Norfolk as the accent irrespective of whatever class you want to attribute to posh or chav. Same accent. Norfolk.

Accents, definitionally, are 'a distinctive way of pronouncing a language, especially one associated with a particular country, area, or social class.'

@Bimblybomeyelash

Nobody says R in Bath. They either use a short A sound or a long A sound depending on if they are using a local accent (short A) or RP/ SSB accent (long A).

Is Holly Willoughby RP? Again, difficult because there will just be all the "oh she must have had voice coaching, on the TV etc" but it's impossible to pick someone welk known enough without that aspect. She probably sounds a bit more "posh" at times than the voice I'm describing in general, but trying to see past that. Let's just go with, that's Holly, not off the telly or some trained "speaker". Just your mate Holly, from number 32, and that's how she speaks. RP?

Again, I have to ask why you think that accents can only be solely tied to a region or place????

I guess because until I heard the phrase RP (approximately 4 hours ago) all other UK accents are? If one is the exception, I don't think it's such a stretch of the imagination to see that it might not be viewed the same.

In a very basic nutshell. English accent. Covers England. Northern accent. The North. Glaswegian. Glasgow.

Whereas RP is related to class from 100 or so years ago. Southern England. But not if you have an accent identifiable as a specific area of Southern England. It's history means "sort of posh". And I can't marry up, Liverpudlian = Liverpool, with RP = south generally, but only if you're none of the southern dialects, and if you call it defaulting to that because you must call it something, yet don't fit any of the other dialects, you've got some kind of superiority issue.

Because if don't have any other regional accent, I must default be that? As it's apparently impossible not have a sub-accent under English. This isn't me self diagnosing. This is me saying, does this mean if I have absolutely no regional dialect, that would identify me such as Mancunian, Glaswegian, Liverpudlian, then as I have to be something, I must be that as a default?

Again, I have to ask why you think that accents can only be solely tied to a region or place????

@TwinsandTrifle,, it's all about you isn't it.

I'd say it like Tanya. Tal-ya

Not default as in, this is the proper one. As in I don't come under any of the others, so what is that called.

Would you be telling a Glaswegian that because they can identify they don't speak the same as a Liverpudlian that they think they are superior? Hardly. I don't speak the same as either. Or any named regional dialect. And people are disagreeing that it doesn't mean that defaults you to RP and that it does mean I'm RP.

It's like what Daniel Radcliffe said. Boring middle of the road. Hardly a superiority complex. It just means that whilst 100% English, it's not obviously from a region. That's what I don't get about some PP. Your accent is English. Yes, obviously.... but within England? That's why I'm asking is boring middle of the road, just classified as RP.

I would say tay lee aah, as in genitalia. (Apologies if this is your child's name, no offence meant).

Not “default” RP - you still have the idea that yours is the “default”. Why?

Because if don't have any other regional accent, I must default be that? As it's apparently impossible not have a sub-accent under English. This isn't me self diagnosing. This is me saying, does this mean if I have absolutely no regional dialect, that would identify me such as Mancunian, Glaswegian, Liverpudlian, then as I have to be something, I must be that as a default?

Not “default” RP - you still have the idea that yours is the “default”. Why?

Sounds like you have an RP English accent, or Standard Southern British accent. It’s still an accent. So if someone said “what’s your accent” you can say one of these things. Not “no accent” or “neutral middle of the road”.

“ Standard Southern British (where 'Standard' should not be taken as implying a value judgment of 'correctness') is the modern equivalent of what has been called 'Received Pronunciation' ('RP'). It is an accent of the south east of England which operates as a prestige norm there and (to varying degrees) in other parts of the British Isles and beyond.”

So, within England I'm sort of default RP. Which to me, is non accent because it's different to how all other current regional accents work.

YOU'RE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF

Oh my goodness, you are so tying yourself up in knots.

I literally wrote a peice to say you are English, subset RP.
You reply quoting me to say - look no accent!!!
Then you say - I am English, subset RP so .....
drumroll..... I don't have an accent.

You do. English, subset RP.

Bloody hell it is like getting blood from a stone.

Why does it matter? Because you assertion that you have no accent is massively offensive. Why? because you are saying, again and again, that YOUR accent is the standard and that anything else needs a name. How offensive is that? How self centred and blinkered?

Sorry, but everyone has told you this, nicely and you aren't getting it.

You know white privilege, male privilege etc etc, this is the same with accents. You are centre of the world and all other accents are only in relation to you.

Time for some self reflection OP.

Tah-lee-ah

Piss off

Yes I am having trouble

I do get that I have an English accent. From the country of England. That's not what was being discussed...

If you would like to decide that it's "not an accent" then okay, fine. We all tried to help you. But at best, it makes you look like an idiot, and at worst it's reinforcing unpleasant ideas about regional accents.

*take it to another country.

Jane has an American accent.
That is definitely her accent, not English Singaporean or Australian, but American.
We woudln't argue with that.
But if you were American you might then say - Oh that is a Florida/Tennessee/ New York accent.

This is the same.
You have an English accent.
Not American, scottish or New Zealand, but English.
To say you haven't got an accent is to be very deliberately obtuse.

Within England, you accent is described as RP or general southern.*

This! This is exactly what I mean.

@LizzieAnt saying, well your accent is "English" isn't the same thing, despite you repeatedly saying it is. It's what it falls to within England

So, within England I'm sort of default RP. Which to me, is non accent because it's different to how all other current regional accents work.

(Anyway OP, sorry for the epic hijack, from my POV I'd usually say TAH-lee-uh where the TAH rhymes with la-like-Julie-Andrews-in-the-Sound-of-Music. However I have heard TAL-ee-uh as well where TAL rhymes with Sal and pal. For TALE-ee-uh I'd probably spell it Thalia.)