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Short name for a trilingual kid

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BigHedgehog · 05/08/2021 10:46

Dear mums, it's the first time I am writing here, but I read this forum quite a lot before :)
We are getting a second baby soon, and we won't know the gender until birth, so I am preparing two sets of names.
We would like a short first name (3-5 letters maximum), but to make it more complicated, it should sound well and have no negative associations in 3 languages.
I am Russian, my husband is German and we have lived in England for the past 7 years and are planning to stay for at least a few more. We have filtered out quite a few names based on our knowledge of German and Russian culture, however I would be grateful for advice from native British mums. For example, after having read through some threads here, I realised that Kai and Ian are not widely accepted in the UK.
Ok, to cut it short, we came up with the following names and I would like to hear your opinions or suggestions.
Important: it's not really about personal opinions on the name itself - we all have our tastes. It's more about cultural acceptance and country associations I may not be aware of. Also, the name may sound exotic in one of the languages, but still sound pleasant. Thank you!

For girls, we are thinking about Liv (as a full name) or Zoe.
The middle name will be Anastasia (connected to a family situation)
I am not up for Olivia, but my concern is that there are many baby Olivias nowadays whose names are probably shortened to Liv?

For boys, we are considering Elias or Jan. Middle name is still to be chosen. Maybe Theodor.
I am not sure if Jan will always be pronunciation correctly (/Yan/), and Elias seems to be getting too popular in Germany (my concern), but not so in the UK.

Whay do you think about these 4: Liv - Zoe, Elias - Jan? Any other suggestions?
Please be mindful with "I like / I don't like" as you may hurt someone's feelings. Again, it's more about general cultural acceptance.

Many thanks!

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BigHedgehog · 05/08/2021 11:42

@SionnachRua

I agree with the people saying Jan may be assumed to be a girl. Ian is a bit dated perhaps but I wouldn't say unacceptable? And afaik Kai is widely used. I really, really dislike Liv.

I'd use Elias or Zoe personally. Both lovely names.

Same feelings about Jan now, yes. Elias and Zoe are my favourites today, but it was Liv yesterday 😂 May I ask why you dislike Liv as a name? Just trying to understand the context
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Laquila · 05/08/2021 11:41

Iliyas
Eric

Ada
Petra

ObviousNameChage · 05/08/2021 11:41

I work in a school that has a huge mix of children from all over the continents. If we're ever in doubt we ask the child to model the name. Just go for a name you really want and love, rather than last resorts . People will adapt to it.

All your names are fine. Easy , generic spelling and nice as well. I'm particular to Zoe, as it's the name of a really kick ass character in a book series I love.

Can I also suggest Andrew (Drew or Andi nn ) and Samuel (sam/sammy) even if they're longer? Maybe Emma , Clara , Lily for a girl.

I'd say if you really love all those names, keep them all and see what your heart says once the baby is born.

miltonj · 05/08/2021 11:39

Alexsi or Saskia.

Hoppinggreen · 05/08/2021 11:39

I am English and DH is German and we spend a lot of time in Spain
We have an Oscar, which we find works in most languages.
I do like Liv but it does tend to be short for something

I know an Ian who is a 45 year old Accountant!

ijustneedasleep · 05/08/2021 11:39

Sam? Works for both

Namechangeforthisquestion7 · 05/08/2021 11:39

Stepping in with a lone vote for Jan! It's a lovely name for a boy and works in multiple languages. Anyone who has friends/family from a European country would instantly recognise Jan as a boys name.

BigHedgehog · 05/08/2021 11:38

@newstart1234

Ida? For a girl? Liv sounds more like a shortened version of Elizabeth to me. Still nice, but people probably will think she (if a girl) is called Elizabeth. Zoe is totally acceptable. Like Ian, it was more popular among people now in their 30s but it’s still in common use. I don’t think there are any negative cultural associations with any name you mention.
Thank you for bringing up Ida! My husband also suggested it ages ago, and I wasn't sure, but now when I pronunce it, it is actually nice. Not too Russian, but I am fine with this, as we don't go there often. I need another thought, thank you.
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hellsbells99 · 05/08/2021 11:36

Nina for a girl?

BigHedgehog · 05/08/2021 11:36

@ancientgran

I was surprised about the issue with Ian, I thought it was a perfectly normal name. I only know one Olivia and she gets called Ollie so not sure about lots being called Liv, I think Liv is nice but sounds like it is short for something, Olivia or Livia I suppose. I like Zoe.

Jan will probably be pronounced incorrectly at least at first, also on written things people might assume he is a girl. I have a friend with a name that gets mistaken for a girl's name and it irritates him. Not the end of the world but he just gets fed up of it. I think Elias is lovely.

Having said all that I'm old so probably not your target audience.

Hope all goes well with the baby.

Thank you! Any age is our target audience ♥️ I was also surprised to read and hear about Ian, honestly. But my husband wasn't keen in this spelling from the start, so it's fine. A very good point about Jan, thank you. It bothers me, too. I love Elias and different forms of it, and I love its Russian version Ilya. It's just getting too popular in Germany, and our surname starts with S which may sound a nit difficult with a name ending with S, but we can live with it. And I am jumping between Zoe and Liv every day changing favourites!
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doradoo · 05/08/2021 11:36

Anna, Sophie (v populär in Germany at the mo), Maya, Laura, Sara,

Max, Alex, Lukas, Finn, Markus, Tobias

I'm in Germany and these are all names of friends of my DC.

TheUnicornDuck · 05/08/2021 11:35

We are a bilingual family and have a Zoë (the accent gets dropped by English speakers alot). So I vote for that!

TeenMinusTests · 05/08/2021 11:34

For UK perspective, Ian is much better than Jan for a boy.
Jan will be mispronounced.

Goodallsfolly · 05/08/2021 11:34

Zara or Suria for a girl

Matt (Matthew) or Theo (Theodore) for a boy

BigHedgehog · 05/08/2021 11:31

@QuiltedBear

It may be because I’m in Wales, but Kai and Ian are both common names here. (Though it’s really Cai and rhymes with hi rather than hey so maybe not the name you’re thinking of...)

All your names sound fine to me though I think Jan probably would be pronounced with the J sound rather than the Y sound.

I was actually thinking about Kai as Hi 😁 but many comments around Wayne Rooney's son and Kardashians (yes, try to find a link...) put me off, unfortunately, although I love the name. I haven't thought that it can be pronounced as Hey. Also, a close colleague in another country just gave birth to a baby Kai, so we shouldn't probably repeat :) And Cai won't work in German, I am afraid :(
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BikeRunSki · 05/08/2021 11:31

@ClaryFairchild

Jan in English is a girl's name more than a boy's name.
This

And there is nothing wrong with Kai or Ian. I don’t think I know an Ian under 50 though, it’s time for a revival!

I was going to suggest Anna until I saw middle name will be Anastasia.

Lara, Tara, Sara?
Tanya?

Adam? Alex? Ivan? Alec?

0ntheg0again · 05/08/2021 11:28

We are bilingual and had the same conundrum, I wanted the names to be pronounced similarly in both languages:
Boys:
Frank
Max
Alfie
Alex(ander)
Mac
Vincent

Girls:
Mia (Maria)
Louisa
Lovisa
Anna (Anastasia)

Good luck with your choice, it's hard Smile

NellietheNumpty · 05/08/2021 11:28

Tom

BigHedgehog · 05/08/2021 11:27

@ClaryFairchild

Jan in English is a girl's name more than a boy's name.
That was exactly my concern, too! One English friend I asked said she didn't think so, but I am still thinking that it may be for girls here, yes. It's a pity, as it sounds well in German and Russian and is not too popular in both. Also, it rhymes with our surname, so that's another negative point... May sound weird.
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MotionActivatedDog · 05/08/2021 11:26

Great name, yes, but a few close friends have sons named Alex, and our son has a middle name Alexander, so we crossed it out for now.

Ahh. It is a very popular name. For good reason.

Hexinthecity · 05/08/2021 11:25

I read that as triangular kid Grin was going to suggest isosceles

Nextchapterofmybook · 05/08/2021 11:25

Liv in English just sounds like ‘to live’ as in to be alive. Bit odd as it’s a verb, doesn’t work In English. I’d assume maybe the baby was a preemie and you’d named them Live after a tough start and wanting them to live and not die.

BigHedgehog · 05/08/2021 11:24

@MotionActivatedDog

Alex

Works for either sex and in all languages.

Great name, yes, but a few close friends have sons named Alex, and our son has a middle name Alexander, so we crossed it out for now...
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NellietheNumpty · 05/08/2021 11:23

Leo
Ivo
Mark
David
Leo

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