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Short name for a trilingual kid

217 replies

BigHedgehog · 05/08/2021 10:46

Dear mums, it's the first time I am writing here, but I read this forum quite a lot before :)
We are getting a second baby soon, and we won't know the gender until birth, so I am preparing two sets of names.
We would like a short first name (3-5 letters maximum), but to make it more complicated, it should sound well and have no negative associations in 3 languages.
I am Russian, my husband is German and we have lived in England for the past 7 years and are planning to stay for at least a few more. We have filtered out quite a few names based on our knowledge of German and Russian culture, however I would be grateful for advice from native British mums. For example, after having read through some threads here, I realised that Kai and Ian are not widely accepted in the UK.
Ok, to cut it short, we came up with the following names and I would like to hear your opinions or suggestions.
Important: it's not really about personal opinions on the name itself - we all have our tastes. It's more about cultural acceptance and country associations I may not be aware of. Also, the name may sound exotic in one of the languages, but still sound pleasant. Thank you!

For girls, we are thinking about Liv (as a full name) or Zoe.
The middle name will be Anastasia (connected to a family situation)
I am not up for Olivia, but my concern is that there are many baby Olivias nowadays whose names are probably shortened to Liv?

For boys, we are considering Elias or Jan. Middle name is still to be chosen. Maybe Theodor.
I am not sure if Jan will always be pronunciation correctly (/Yan/), and Elias seems to be getting too popular in Germany (my concern), but not so in the UK.

Whay do you think about these 4: Liv - Zoe, Elias - Jan? Any other suggestions?
Please be mindful with "I like / I don't like" as you may hurt someone's feelings. Again, it's more about general cultural acceptance.

Many thanks!

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TheOrigRights · 05/08/2021 12:18

@newstart1234

I’d assume Jan was a woman - either Janet or Jane.
If I knew the parents were German/Russian I would actually assume Jan (pronounced Yan) was a boy.
Wilma55 · 05/08/2021 12:16

Tash
Max

ghislaine · 05/08/2021 12:15

Peter?
A classic but not many around these days.
Philip might be another option.

For girls I was going to suggest Anna but I see you are already there. What about Maria or Thea?

SwedishEdith · 05/08/2021 12:14

If you like Liv, what about Lev for a boy? Quite cool.

RhonaRed · 05/08/2021 12:13

On Iain / Ian I know a few younger ones too.
I wouldn't discount it. It will probably be coming back in fashion in about 5 years!

EmmaGrundyForPM · 05/08/2021 12:12

I know a 20 year old Ian, he lives in Scotland.

I would always assume that Liv is short for Olivia. I like Zoe, my DS aged 23 has a couple of friends called Zoe. Would Tara work as a girls name?

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Tomas / Thomas as that works in most European languages. A PP suggested Leo which is a lovely name but I know quite a few small Leo's so maybe it's too popular for you.

Clevs · 05/08/2021 12:11

A few people have suggested it already but the first name that came into my head when I read the original post was Max.

How about Mika as well?

daisypond · 05/08/2021 12:10

Liv doesn’t really work in the U.K - it sounds odd as a full name. Zoe is great.
Elias is good. Jan is fine - yes, people might assume female on seeing written, but it’s a well known continental male name pronounced as Yan. It wouldn’t raise an eyebrow where I am.

Katya?
Gregor?
Konstantin? Or is that too long?

cariadlet · 05/08/2021 12:08

I think that in the UK, someone seeing Jan written down and not knowing the sex of the person concerned would assume it's a female and the initial J is pronounced the same as J in Jane or John.

But once told it's a boy's name and the "J" is pronounced "Y" then I don't think anyone would have any problems with it. They'd either not think about it or assume East European heritage.

I went to secondary school with a boy called Jan, pronounced Y. That was way back in the 80s when the range of names you came across was much smaller than it is now and virtually everyone I met had a conventional British name. Most people were surprised at first but then didn't think any more about it.

IAmNotAClownfish · 05/08/2021 12:08

I've got a Kai (and a Zoe actually) and although on MN it has a bad reputation, no one outside of here has ever said anything, maybe they think it but who knows and it works in a lot of languages. I liked the meaning and that it was nice and short. And he's lovely, so I think it's a great name.

SwedishEdith · 05/08/2021 12:05

Lina/Nina/Tina all work as international names for girls.
Sacha works for both boys and girls.
Ian is acceptable but very old-fashioned.

steppemum · 05/08/2021 12:05

I think Ilya is fab, and easy to pronounce in English.

Go for a name you love, people will work it out.
If you go for Jan, they will get it quickly.
Kids in my kids schools have all sorts of names from all over the world, and everyone just learns their name and that's it.

RhonaRed · 05/08/2021 12:05

Plus Jan is ime always short for Janet or Janette.

RhonaRed · 05/08/2021 12:04

If I saw Jan on a class list I would be more shocked if it were a girl nowadays!

( Unless it's a class aged 40+.)

PattyPan · 05/08/2021 11:59

I agree Jan will be pronounce with a j and mistaken for a female name short for Janet. You could spell it Yann to get around this? Elias is nice and quite uncommon, I don’t think I’ve met one although I do know someone with it as a surname.

Liv is not given as a full name in this country, that would be very unusual and kind of strange as a pp says it sounds like live. Zoe is definitely a better choice.

NameChange2PostThis · 05/08/2021 11:58

I don’t think you need to compromise on your baby’s name. E.g. you say you like Ilya. My DD is at school with one. And tbh wherever you live, you will find unusual names - we’re not all called Peter and Jane these days Grin

Of the names you suggest.
Zoe is nice
Liv is pretty and makes me think of Liv Tyler
Elias is lovely but I prefer Ilya
Jan doesn’t really work in English as we will generally sound out the J - but if you love it, go with it
Ian - I don’t personally like but it’s a fine name
Kai - it’s pretty common these days - I think we know 3

Kollamoolitumarellipawkyrollo · 05/08/2021 11:57

I think Elias and Zoe work best. Without knowing, I’d assume Jan was short for Janet although I like Jan (Yan).

Liv will always sound short for another name. A bit like calling a girl ‘Em’. Also, as a previous poster said, Liv/Live - the noun element could prove tricky.

newstart1234 · 05/08/2021 11:55

I always liked Florian for a boy, Flo for short. I think generally people will adapt to most names over time. I also love Nickolas (Sorry for derailing - I know you’re not after personal opinions).

Crumpetsandhoney · 05/08/2021 11:54

Would Fin(n) work for a boy's name?

steppemum · 05/08/2021 11:54

We have quite a few Polish families round here and no-one would think twice about a boy Jan pronounced Yan. As soon as people know it is a boy and how it is pronounced it isn't an issue.
You can have the same problem with any unisex name, you only need to say it once.

I think Liv sounds cut short, and most people would assume it is an abbreviation of Olivia, and it doesn't sound liek a whole name to me in English. Sounds like a nickname.

Zoe is lovely, and so is Elias, although you may find pronounciation differences with Elias (I think in Russian it would be El - eeee - as, in English I think it would be El eye as?)

Lanique · 05/08/2021 11:51

Although I've always spelt Zoe with the umlaut - Zoë

Lanique · 05/08/2021 11:50

If you're really stuck between Liv and Zoe, go for Zoe. Not only is it (IMO) a beautiful, timeless name, but it's completely 'accepted' in British culture. Liv will always sound like a shortened name.

Elias is more 'accepted' than Jan for a boy's name in the UK however I think it's a bit of a mouthful and I'm not sure how to pronounce it? Is it El-ias or El-i-as?

RhonaRed · 05/08/2021 11:45

I like Liv, makes me think of Liv Ullman.

Ian/Iain is fine in my part of the UK.

Jan is a rather old fashioned woman's name, never met one under 35 tbh. Whereas I have heard Jan for European men and boys so I don'tt think it's too much of an issue as a boy's name these days at all.

Caspianberg · 05/08/2021 11:45

Liv and zoe work well

We had similar, short names we considered:

Meg
Nora
Alma
Erica

Eric
Ned
Tim
Hal

GreenLeafTurnip · 05/08/2021 11:42

We had a similar issue but just 2 languages to contend with English and Polish! I like Ada for a girl but in English it's pronounced with the long A not the short one as in Polish which I suspect would be the same in Russian? I also love Nora but that's short for leonora which was my Grannie's name so some significance. Max is good for a boy but I agree with Jan being pronounced wrong in English. I say it correctly for a boy but that's because I know a Polish Jan! Maybe Luke? Jon? Or John? Said the same.

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