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Short name for a trilingual kid

217 replies

BigHedgehog · 05/08/2021 10:46

Dear mums, it's the first time I am writing here, but I read this forum quite a lot before :)
We are getting a second baby soon, and we won't know the gender until birth, so I am preparing two sets of names.
We would like a short first name (3-5 letters maximum), but to make it more complicated, it should sound well and have no negative associations in 3 languages.
I am Russian, my husband is German and we have lived in England for the past 7 years and are planning to stay for at least a few more. We have filtered out quite a few names based on our knowledge of German and Russian culture, however I would be grateful for advice from native British mums. For example, after having read through some threads here, I realised that Kai and Ian are not widely accepted in the UK.
Ok, to cut it short, we came up with the following names and I would like to hear your opinions or suggestions.
Important: it's not really about personal opinions on the name itself - we all have our tastes. It's more about cultural acceptance and country associations I may not be aware of. Also, the name may sound exotic in one of the languages, but still sound pleasant. Thank you!

For girls, we are thinking about Liv (as a full name) or Zoe.
The middle name will be Anastasia (connected to a family situation)
I am not up for Olivia, but my concern is that there are many baby Olivias nowadays whose names are probably shortened to Liv?

For boys, we are considering Elias or Jan. Middle name is still to be chosen. Maybe Theodor.
I am not sure if Jan will always be pronunciation correctly (/Yan/), and Elias seems to be getting too popular in Germany (my concern), but not so in the UK.

Whay do you think about these 4: Liv - Zoe, Elias - Jan? Any other suggestions?
Please be mindful with "I like / I don't like" as you may hurt someone's feelings. Again, it's more about general cultural acceptance.

Many thanks!

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EllaBlaire · 05/08/2021 16:17

What about Erik?

Ladyaramis98 · 05/08/2021 16:13

Love Isolda for a girl, works in Russian and English, and Anton or Edik (Eduard) for a boy.

rosy71 · 05/08/2021 16:07

Alex, Eric or Max?
Zara or Nadia?

Zoe is lovely. Liv is a little strange. It's not really a name in it's own right more a short version of Olivia. Jan is nice. I've seen it spelt Yan which ensures it is pronounced correctly. Might that be a possibility? Ian is OK but unusual in anyone under 50, I should think.

EllaBlaire · 05/08/2021 16:04

Ian - there are lots of them about but mainly over 40. It’s a bit like Gary. Maybe in 20 years it will come round again.

Kai - sounds a little bit chavvy to me, sorry.

Love pp suggestion of Ida. Zoe is nice too.

Jan - yes it is often short for Janet, but mainly in women over 50, so people shouldn’t have too much difficulty pronouncing it Yan when they discover it’s a little boy.

ZoyaTheDestroyer · 05/08/2021 15:54

I think how people sight-read Jan will depend on the surname: Jan Smith might get /dʒæn/ (jan) but Jan Schmidt would be much more likely to get /jæn/ (yan).

steppemum · 05/08/2021 15:31

Theo would be Teo in Russian or german though wouldn't it?

The th sound being uniquely English

Cookofcastamar · 05/08/2021 15:12

My friend has a teenage Zoe.
Another friend has a baby Yann (French dad).
Haven't come across any baby Ian and Elias is lovely.
My DH is a Theo and another friends sister aged forties is Anastasia also lovely.
All lovely names and they cut across all ages.

RemoveTheGreenBit · 05/08/2021 15:07

Sara
Ellie
Tanya
Anya
Svenya
Livia
Matilda
Kati Katharine

Ben
Tim
Robert

Alex for boy or girl

WavesAndLeaves · 05/08/2021 14:51

Zoe and Elias. Jan will get mispronounced and people will assume Liv is a nickname

Susannahmoody · 05/08/2021 14:47

Jan is pronouned Yan.

QueenStromba · 05/08/2021 14:43

Don't call your baby Elias if your surname starts with an S. My first name ends with the same letter as my surname and I hate it. I can't just say my name normally, I have to put a clunky long gap on the middle and end up having to spell my surname most of the time anyway.

bimbimbap · 05/08/2021 14:27

apologies if someone has already mentioned, but max was my first thought for a boy

FirstTimeMommy2021 · 05/08/2021 14:25

If you like short names but are unsure about Elias why not try Eli (instead of Elias) pronounced ee-lie

Eve is nice for a girl 😊

HelebethH · 05/08/2021 14:18

Congratulations BigHedgehog on the anticipated arrival of your second baby.
I do think most people in the UK would assume that Liv was short for Olivia.
Zoe is a name I think people would have no trouble pronouncing
I personally don't consider Ian dated
Jan most people would think was a girls name as it is a popular abbrieviation for Janet, Janine or Janice.
I was wondering about names in all three languages and have a couple more suggestions

Katherine/Kathryn
Anya
Clara/Klara

Karl/Carl
Eric/Erik

Sunshinegirl82 · 05/08/2021 14:01

How about Ivo instead of Ian?

queenmeadhbh · 05/08/2021 13:50

@BigHedgehog just a side point, I somehow got the impression from your posts that Ian and Jan are same pronunciation different spelling - Jan is “Yan”, one syllable, but “Ian” is more like EE-uhn, two syllables.

Sorry if I picked it up wrong and you know that already!

0ntheg0again · 05/08/2021 13:46

Or the European version of Andrew, Andreas, know a few english/greek boys with that name and I think it's lovely

nocturnalcatfreetogoodhome · 05/08/2021 13:32

Yan is a Russian name though. It's also the Anglican equivalent of Jan.

So is Yanis/Yanus.

It's not saying stick a Y on it instead of a J and omit his heritage, it's the suggestion to call him a different name that sounds the same, also fits into his heritage but also makes his life easier if he's being raised in England.

NothingIsWrong · 05/08/2021 13:32

Levi and Max sprung to mind for me for boys names. I know one of each under 5....

Standrewsschool · 05/08/2021 13:26

Liv is a nn for Olivia. It’s very uncommon to use it as a name in its own right. Zoe is lovely.

Other suggestions:
Anna/Anne
Maria
Mary
Ruth
Nadia
Esther

Adam
Karl
Ivor
Leo
Ivan
John

OlivesTree · 05/08/2021 13:21

Liv and Zoe, both perfectly acceptable in UK. As PP said, people will assume Liv is short for Olivia. Zoe would be views as more of a complete or ‘proper’ name.

Elias is lovely. There is also an Eli in my son’s class. Also nice.

Jan, when read (class lists or emails for example) will be confused for the woman’s name. He may spend a life time explaining that he isn’t a middle-aged woman.

loveinthe90s · 05/08/2021 13:17

What about Ivan for a boy instead of Jan (confusing for brits as girl's name), or Ian (very old/fashioned & exceedingly dull. No young Ians in my neck of the woods. Don't know any under 40).

Ivan is cool, smart and works in all languages.

steppemum · 05/08/2021 13:14

I love all these people saying - just spell it Yan.

so

  1. I think it looks like a completely different name as Yan
  2. If the kids is trilingual, then you need to consider what sound the Y makes in the other 2 languages?
For example y in Dutch is a vowel sound written either y or ij and so Yan would be pronouced completely differently
iMombie · 05/08/2021 13:07

Would Jan be pronounced “Yan” could you spell it like that to avoid confusion with Jan? A family members name is Jan (Yan) and I think it’s lovely.

Pinchoftums · 05/08/2021 13:05

I wouldn't worry too much about acceptable names in England. Unless it happens to be a rude or unfortunate word coincidentally (here's looking at you Wang, Randy and Alexa) most of England is so multicultural people are very accepting I have a very Russian name as does my sibling. We have never and have never had any issues with them. I imagine Germany is pretty similar?

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