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Short name for a trilingual kid

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BigHedgehog · 05/08/2021 10:46

Dear mums, it's the first time I am writing here, but I read this forum quite a lot before :)
We are getting a second baby soon, and we won't know the gender until birth, so I am preparing two sets of names.
We would like a short first name (3-5 letters maximum), but to make it more complicated, it should sound well and have no negative associations in 3 languages.
I am Russian, my husband is German and we have lived in England for the past 7 years and are planning to stay for at least a few more. We have filtered out quite a few names based on our knowledge of German and Russian culture, however I would be grateful for advice from native British mums. For example, after having read through some threads here, I realised that Kai and Ian are not widely accepted in the UK.
Ok, to cut it short, we came up with the following names and I would like to hear your opinions or suggestions.
Important: it's not really about personal opinions on the name itself - we all have our tastes. It's more about cultural acceptance and country associations I may not be aware of. Also, the name may sound exotic in one of the languages, but still sound pleasant. Thank you!

For girls, we are thinking about Liv (as a full name) or Zoe.
The middle name will be Anastasia (connected to a family situation)
I am not up for Olivia, but my concern is that there are many baby Olivias nowadays whose names are probably shortened to Liv?

For boys, we are considering Elias or Jan. Middle name is still to be chosen. Maybe Theodor.
I am not sure if Jan will always be pronunciation correctly (/Yan/), and Elias seems to be getting too popular in Germany (my concern), but not so in the UK.

Whay do you think about these 4: Liv - Zoe, Elias - Jan? Any other suggestions?
Please be mindful with "I like / I don't like" as you may hurt someone's feelings. Again, it's more about general cultural acceptance.

Many thanks!

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woodfort · 06/08/2021 18:14

I’ve never heard of Liv as an actual name. I didn’t realise Zoe worked so well internationally, but that seems a good choice.

Jan - actually I’ve met quite a few Jans (and Jana) but all have been Eastern European. I automatically say Jan/ Jana as Yan / Yana but it’s obviously very much not a British name. I imagine it might be similar to how a British name like Arthur or Beth is seen outside of English speaking countries - most people who have any English language experience or have worked any time internationally will know how we pronounce “th” and will likely say the names mostly correctly, but there will be people that also don’t know.

Lukas / Lucas above is a good call.

ZoyaTheDestroyer · 06/08/2021 17:09

So no unisex names ever, @ancientgran?

Marty13 · 06/08/2021 17:07

Didn't rtft but I had a similar concern when naming mine (except the length) so here are a few ideas :

Boys : Max (I prefer Maximilian but Max works too), Leo, Arthur, Anton, Felix, Axel

Girls : Sasha (I had two boys so girl names aren't my forte)

About your picks : not sure about Liv as a full name ? Sounds more like a nickname and people would probably assume her full name is Olivia. Zoe sounds fine.

Jan will probably be assumed to be a girl in the UK. Elias is a nice name but though short in writing, it does have 3 syllables so maybe not as short-sounding as you'd have liked ?
Mathias is a similar feel though, as is Lukas (I love that name).

ancientgran · 06/08/2021 16:59

@Bimblybomeyelash

Jan is a perfectly fine name for a boy! Jan with a J is a name for 60 year old women, not babies, so /Yan/ won’t be in a class with girl /Jans/.
I'd have said that about names like Elsie or Archie a few years ago but they are popular now. When my first son was born a woman was hysterical and her husband was asked to leave because he told her he'd been and registered the baby as Alfie , after his grandfather. Little did she know he wasn't getting an oldfashioned name, he was a trend setter.
ancientgran · 06/08/2021 16:56

@ZoyaTheDestroyer

I really disagree that Jan will be misread as 'jan' by a teacher or anyone else regularly dealing with children. Context is all. Janet has not been given to more than 23 girls in any year since 1995 and in 2019 there were a grand total of 9 baby Janets. In the same year there were 165 baby boys named Jan, making it equally as popular as Kacper and Elis (the Welsh spelling). It is currently a more popular name for boys in E&W than Timothy, Paul, Simon, Philip...
Kids grow up, it isn't just about school. Obviously it can be a male or female name, I have one of those and it can be a pain. I've been seated in the wrong place, seating plan with man/woman/man/woman along the table except I was sitting woman/woman/woman. Didn't actually matter but caused comment, person who did the plan who didn't know me got embarrassed. I got embarrassed because of the fuss.
ZoyaTheDestroyer · 06/08/2021 16:03

I really disagree that Jan will be misread as 'jan' by a teacher or anyone else regularly dealing with children. Context is all. Janet has not been given to more than 23 girls in any year since 1995 and in 2019 there were a grand total of 9 baby Janets. In the same year there were 165 baby boys named Jan, making it equally as popular as Kacper and Elis (the Welsh spelling). It is currently a more popular name for boys in E&W than Timothy, Paul, Simon, Philip...

ladycarlotta · 05/08/2021 23:43

How would you pronounce Ida, OP? I think it's lovely both the ways I know it - EYE-da or EE-da, just curious.

I love Elias but also Ilya is fab.

If it helps, some children I know who have parents of different nationalities and live in a 3rd country include:
Nico
Ivo
Tomas
Mika
Bianca
Sofia
Elsa
Agnes

Ostagazuzulum · 05/08/2021 22:50

Lara
Saskia
Seren
Sasha
Galina

Yanis
Theo

larkstar · 05/08/2021 22:39

Bea

SoftSheen · 05/08/2021 22:23

Anna or Clara for a girl.

Ivo or Thomas/Tom for a boy.

TatianaBis · 05/08/2021 22:19

Jan will be assumed female and assumed J. So you will do a lot of correcting here.

PattyPan · 05/08/2021 22:13

I agree Ian and Jan have totally different sounds, ee-un and yan. I have only ever met one Ian born after about 1970 and my mind boggled so much that it’s still one of my go to example when talking about odd baby names with people!

Marimaur · 05/08/2021 22:11

Ian sounds quite dated in England, I don't know any under 40.

Liv is incredibly popular (as a nickname for Olivia/Livia) but it's lovely.
Zoe, Jan and Elias are all great names.

Fran45528 · 05/08/2021 21:56

Zoe is a lovely name with no negative connections. Elias is also lovely. People will assume Liv is short for Olivia. Jan makes me think of ‘Janet’ and is a girl’s name over here.

Ian is very common in the older generation but is seen as quite ‘uncool’.

Kai is chavvy.

What about a name like Lucy, Kate, Emma?

For a boy Max, Fred, Nick, Ben?

BigHedgehog · 05/08/2021 21:55

@ObviousNameChage

I work in a school that has a huge mix of children from all over the continents. If we're ever in doubt we ask the child to model the name. Just go for a name you really want and love, rather than last resorts . People will adapt to it.

All your names are fine. Easy , generic spelling and nice as well. I'm particular to Zoe, as it's the name of a really kick ass character in a book series I love.

Can I also suggest Andrew (Drew or Andi nn ) and Samuel (sam/sammy) even if they're longer? Maybe Emma , Clara , Lily for a girl.

I'd say if you really love all those names, keep them all and see what your heart says once the baby is born.

Thank you so much! Yes, provided that we don't know exactly where we will live in a 10-tear time, it's probably good to follow our hearts for now. I am a big fan of Zoe, too. Its Russian variant is a bit dated, and not really widespread nowadays (some people may raise their eyebrows), but I think I can live with this.
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LanisHouseLot · 05/08/2021 21:31

Greg
Ray
Matty
Eli
Frank

Bimblybomeyelash · 05/08/2021 21:31

Jan is a perfectly fine name for a boy! Jan with a J is a name for 60 year old women, not babies, so /Yan/ won’t be in a class with girl /Jans/.

BigHedgehog · 05/08/2021 21:26

@2bazookas

I live in Scotland where Ian is a common name , no idea why you think its unacceptable.

Ian/Yan/Jan would match 3 languages.
Theodore is also a nice name. Theodore/Theo/Teddy

So is Theodora for a girl. (don't care for Liv)

I never said I think it's unacceptable, sorry if it sounded this way. On the contrary, it was on my list, but many English forum threads I read do not support it as it sounds too old? I don't have this cultural understanding of names, unfortunately, to judge. My good friend, native English, also had a very negative feeling towards it, so I got confused. In any case, my husband doesn't like the spelling for his German eyes, so I crossed it out. Love Theodore/Theodor, too, for a boy and considering it as a middle name. ♥️
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2bazookas · 05/08/2021 21:23

Ioan (Welsh for John, pronounced Yo=ann)
Similar to Johan and Yan.

BigHedgehog · 05/08/2021 21:20

@Hexinthecity

I read that as triangular kid Grin was going to suggest isosceles
😂😂😂😂😂 I prefer Euclid then! Isosceles is too difficult to spell for a non-native, will be a nightmare for grandparents! But hope the baby will have a nice shape 😁
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BigHedgehog · 05/08/2021 21:14

@thriftyhen

Would you consider Max or Luka for a boy, or Anna or Eva for a girl?
Max is my husband's name, Luka is my best friend's child (although she wouldn't mind of course, but I am not too sure, although I love the name). Anna won't work with the middle name, and it is quite spread among Russian-speaking people abroad, and although I love the name Eva, I am not the biggest fan of its German pronunciation, unfortunately :( But thank you very much for the suggestions!
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Lulu1919 · 05/08/2021 21:12

Liv
Elias
Would be my choices

2bazookas · 05/08/2021 21:09

I live in Scotland where Ian is a common name , no idea why you think its unacceptable.

Ian/Yan/Jan would match 3 languages.
Theodore is also a nice name. Theodore/Theo/Teddy

So is Theodora for a girl. (don't care for Liv)

diddl · 05/08/2021 21:02

Liv is fine-Liv Tyler, Liv Ullman, it's hardly unheard of!

I love Ilya.

Waterlemon · 05/08/2021 20:55

@user89764

As it's a boy's name I'd assume Jan was pronounced "Yan" which is very much a male name. I know a male Jan though so whilst it's my first thought might not be others.
This is what I was going to say. Y sound for male version J for female.

I think Jan is a lovely name.
I also Really like Elias, but I know Of a couple Small boys with this name.

Zoe is a lovely name, and Is not often used. It was very popular in 1980s but I wouldn’t say it’s dated/old fashioned.

I’m not keen on Liv. It’s too short and she will forever be asked what her full name is (I have a name that is more commonly a shortened version of another name eg Vicky so maybe I am just projecting. I always wanted a “proper” name as a child’)

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