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Short name for a trilingual kid

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BigHedgehog · 05/08/2021 10:46

Dear mums, it's the first time I am writing here, but I read this forum quite a lot before :)
We are getting a second baby soon, and we won't know the gender until birth, so I am preparing two sets of names.
We would like a short first name (3-5 letters maximum), but to make it more complicated, it should sound well and have no negative associations in 3 languages.
I am Russian, my husband is German and we have lived in England for the past 7 years and are planning to stay for at least a few more. We have filtered out quite a few names based on our knowledge of German and Russian culture, however I would be grateful for advice from native British mums. For example, after having read through some threads here, I realised that Kai and Ian are not widely accepted in the UK.
Ok, to cut it short, we came up with the following names and I would like to hear your opinions or suggestions.
Important: it's not really about personal opinions on the name itself - we all have our tastes. It's more about cultural acceptance and country associations I may not be aware of. Also, the name may sound exotic in one of the languages, but still sound pleasant. Thank you!

For girls, we are thinking about Liv (as a full name) or Zoe.
The middle name will be Anastasia (connected to a family situation)
I am not up for Olivia, but my concern is that there are many baby Olivias nowadays whose names are probably shortened to Liv?

For boys, we are considering Elias or Jan. Middle name is still to be chosen. Maybe Theodor.
I am not sure if Jan will always be pronunciation correctly (/Yan/), and Elias seems to be getting too popular in Germany (my concern), but not so in the UK.

Whay do you think about these 4: Liv - Zoe, Elias - Jan? Any other suggestions?
Please be mindful with "I like / I don't like" as you may hurt someone's feelings. Again, it's more about general cultural acceptance.

Many thanks!

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Iwantedtrianglesnotsquares · 17/08/2021 07:21

I teach a Liza who has the same trilingual combination (Russian /German/English)

MydogWillow · 17/08/2021 07:10

Iris?

I know it works in German but unsure about Russian?

MumofSpud · 16/08/2021 19:41

The only Jan I know is a teenage boy here in the UK with German parents (pronounced Yan).

It is a much more sensible /easy name than some of the atrocities some parents cobble together / make up ! Grin

I love Anastasia and I was also going to say Ian is a middle aged IT worker!!

I know a Katja (pronounced Katya)

Cornettoninja · 16/08/2021 19:36

I really like Zoe, would Dinah work in all three languages?

I also like the suggestion of Max.

aiwblam · 16/08/2021 14:55

Nick

Magicstars · 16/08/2021 14:54

What about Max?
I like both Liv & Zoe.
Ian Is fine- I think it would be seen as a quirky choice as not typically used for children now. However that’s no bad thing.
Kai is quite popular for children in the uk.
Elias is cute, I know one & we call him Eli.

MydogWillow · 16/08/2021 14:47

@Wilma55

Tash Max
My immediate thought was Natasha and Max Smile
CatsArePeople · 16/08/2021 14:39

Victor/Victoria?

Blackberrybunnet · 13/08/2021 16:30

Both Kai and Ian are fairly usual in Scotland, Kai more recently.
Tom/Tim/Tam can hardly be pronounced any other way, and are all cute. Mia/Tia is a girl's name that is rarely pronounced differently, and both are also cute.

rc22 · 13/08/2021 16:16

I think people would assume that Liv was short for Olivia. Zoe Anastasia would work well in this country.

Ian is not an unacceptable name but it is a bit dated. Ian's tend to be middle aged men rather than little boys!

Jan would be fine once people knew how it was pronounced. Again Elias isn't a popular name in this country but would be perfectly fine.

Primrosejoy · 13/08/2021 16:09

Ps. Love Zoe

Primrosejoy · 13/08/2021 16:08

Ian, I would associate with a man in his 50s but think its due a comeback and it's perfectly acceptable..

Jan - A women's name, particularly of my mums era. Short for Janet or Janice.

Kai - really don't like at all.

Suggestions

Max
Seth
Alex
Henry
Felix

LadyEloise1 · 08/08/2021 11:22

I love Lara.
Esme
Freya

Boys:
Ben
Alex / Alexis
Finn

BubbleCoffee · 08/08/2021 10:57

Leo Elias

Zoe Lara

Twinkie01 · 08/08/2021 09:34

Was going to say Max, works in each of the languages.

What about Clara for a girl or Anna?

blitzen · 08/08/2021 09:08

Anya
Nico

CatMuffin · 08/08/2021 09:03

I think Elias and Ida would work well

SadWife2020 · 07/08/2021 08:11

Hi @BigHedgehog, I haven’t rtft but how about Daniel for a boy which I think works in all three places? Or Timofey / Timothy?

WolfFleeceSpotter · 07/08/2021 02:03

If you like Zoe and Liv, what about Zev for a boy?

Torvean · 07/08/2021 01:48

Plenty of ppl called Iain is Scotland and Wales have an equivalent. I've never heard any issues.

What about Euan or Callum for a boy.

Iona or Eilidh for a girl.

TheVanguardSix · 07/08/2021 01:37

I have a Theodor! (My father was Silesian German. My father in law was Russian!). My great grandfather was Elias and we have uncle Ilya in the family. Smile
My Theodor is 19 now.
My other son is Alec.
Other names I'd think about are Hugo, Anton, Andrei, Emil, Victor, Nils, Otto.

I am just not too happy that Elias is getting really popular in Germany

My Czech roots (my grandmother was Czech) go back more than 500 years. We have A LOT of 'Elias' in the family tree. I think Elias has been popular across Germany for a while. Wink

Marty13 · 07/08/2021 01:15

Hey OP if you love Elias go for it !

I called my youngest Mathias thinking that it was, if not unusual, at least not that common. Then I moved to Latin America where half of the last generation got called Matias (the local equivalent). I was a bit miffed but eh, what can you do. If you love the sound of the name that's really more important than how (un)popular the name is.

I think Elias is a great name. My second son's middle name is Ilya. Я жила несколько лет в России, поэтому хотела что, у моих сыновей были русские имена. Sorry if any of that was grammatically incorrect, it's been a while :)

BigHedgehog · 06/08/2021 20:07

Thank you so much for all the answers! ♥️ Just cannot reply everyone's message.
After reading positive feedback about Zoe and Liv, I am still very fond of these two names. The issue of Liv sounding "short" doesn't bother us much, as we both love short names,and there are 3 close relatives in the family whose full names are short forms of longer ones. I am just still a bit concerned to meet too many "Liv's"/Olivias as this is a popular name.
Our third choice was Julia (someone mentioned it, too), and it's fine that it is pronounced slightly differently in different languages. Our elder son's example has shown that its not a problem, and he responds to different variations when switching languages (and me too, with my name).
After reading the comments, I think I am giving up on Jan, as many of you confirmed my feelings, and I myself get confused when seeing the name written by myself.
Still love "Elias" a lot, and unfortunately none of suggested variants got my affection, although they are all beautiful. Just don't roll in my mouth, or we have already close variants, or personal associations with some of them. It's actually good, as it confirmed our choice :)
There are still a few months to go, maybe there will be a second one that will work.
Thanks again!!!

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BigHedgehog · 06/08/2021 19:51

@Marty13

Didn't rtft but I had a similar concern when naming mine (except the length) so here are a few ideas :

Boys : Max (I prefer Maximilian but Max works too), Leo, Arthur, Anton, Felix, Axel

Girls : Sasha (I had two boys so girl names aren't my forte)

About your picks : not sure about Liv as a full name ? Sounds more like a nickname and people would probably assume her full name is Olivia. Zoe sounds fine.

Jan will probably be assumed to be a girl in the UK. Elias is a nice name but though short in writing, it does have 3 syllables so maybe not as short-sounding as you'd have liked ?
Mathias is a similar feel though, as is Lukas (I love that name).

Thank you for the boys' names. Unfortunately, or fortunately :), two of these are already owned by my husband and my elder son, and Felix was a cat of my close friend who lived to a really old age, so I only associate this name with this beautiful pet :) and other names... Just not sure. Still love Elias the most, although there have been a lot of great suggestions (and I did read a lot of name lists, too). I am just not too happy that Elias is getting really popular in Germany, but I guess that's ok, unless we find another name that clicks. And yes, agree with Jan, especially after reading all the comments here. I also noticed that I myself sometimes misread it as a short form of Janet, although it was me who put the question 😂 And Liv I just love exactly as a full name, it's Scandinavian in origin, where it's used as a full name. But still jumping between Liv and Zoe every day. The issue with Sasha is that German /sh/ is spelled as /sch/, so having Sasha spelled this way wouldn't be a good fit. Also, in Russia it's a nickname for Alexander/Alexandra and I have at least 3 close friends named this way, algough I really like the sound of it. Thank you!
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scottishnames · 06/08/2021 18:40

How about Gregor?
I've met a Stanislas from Lithuania, always known as 'Stan'. That seems pretty international.
Tobias works in English and German (different pronunciations, but, as you say, children adapt wonderfully well), but I don't know what it would be Russian.
Nikolaus/Nikolai?
Markus?
Yann is a name well-known in France (and Cornwall) - it's Breton. There's a much respected modern opera-singer with the name (Yann Beuron). People in the UK would very easily accept it.
Pavel/Paul

Zoe is very nice.
Irina/Irena might also work but I expect it's rather old-fashioned. Though it has a lovely meaning: 'peace'.
Alina
Flora
Susanna (very pretty)
Julia runs into the 'J' problem, but, as others have said, people will learn. Otherwise, it's international.
Olga/Helga (probably even more old fashioned, but quite striking).
Versions of Margaret: Margarethe, Margarita etc etc .
Franciska - decades ago, I went to school with someone with that name. It was no problem at all.
I think if people recognise the 'basic' name, they will very quickly adapt to variations.

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