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Welsh boy names

86 replies

Lenny86 · 23/04/2021 13:23

We are expecting a boy and would like a Welsh name, but we live in England, so it needs to be easy to spell and say. We both like Idris, but people were very negative when we suggested it for our first child (comments about the actor). I really like Osian, but OH isn’t keen. Any suggestions on a 1-2 syllable name that works in English too?

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KirstenBlest · 25/04/2021 19:23

Well said @Chunkymenrock.

@Leytonladee, Why suggest a name you can't say?

sluj · 25/04/2021 19:14

It's a shame everyone is so quick to say English people won't try with a "foreign" name or will pronounce it wrong. I never minded when my Welsh speaking grandparents and family pronounced my very common English name in their own special way and I don't mind when the non -English people I work with pronounce my name slightly differently either. Why would I?
It's nothing to do with being English.
As far as Welsh boys names go, it has to be Taliesin, Tali for short.Smile

Chunkymenrock · 25/04/2021 19:00

Llion is NOT pronounced Theeon. I can't believe a pp would say such a thing. Utterly ignorant. It rhymes, we can say that much, but the Welsh 'll' makes a soft and unique sound.

Arrierttyclock · 25/04/2021 17:41

Love Griff but I don't like the welsh spelling and he'll be forever spelling/pronouncing it correctly

Arrierttyclock · 25/04/2021 17:38

Omg op I was just about to start a thread identical to this! Husband is English and we live in England so don't want anything too welsh but I do want a welsh name! I haven't read the thread yet but my favourite welsh boys name is Aled which was vetoed 😤

Sawyersfishbiscuits · 24/04/2021 15:36

I love Emrys

Ohjustboreoff · 24/04/2021 15:00

Iolo and Trystan are my favourites but I'm biased Wink

BertieBotts · 24/04/2021 14:46

I wouldn't have any worries about the Muslim connection with Idris since it is also a Welsh name. I'd just say so.

I wish DH didn't think it was too out there!

CaffiSaliMali · 24/04/2021 14:28

With regards to Idris our other concern is that it’s also a Muslim name and when I suggested it previously somebody accused us of cultural appropriation until I pointed out it’s also a Welsh name. Over the past 10 years I’ve met 3 kids called Idris in london - two were Muslim and one had welsh heritage.

Yes, that's my misgiving with the name too - I think being accused of cultural appropriation would be annoying.

I'm fully aware a certain number of people would see names like Alys, Mari, Harri and Tomos and think we were trying to be 'younique' or that we couldn't spell Alice, Mary, Harry and Thomas but I think I'd rather people thought I couldn't spell than that I was appropriating someone else's culture.

At least 'actually it's also Welsh' is a quick way to shut someone who thinks they're being clever up, though.

My aunt does that with my cousin's name, which is Welsh and ends in 'I'. So many people were like 'shouldn't that be 'ie' or 'y' on the end that she just gave them a mini lecture in Welsh phonetics. They never asked again Grin

CalonGaled · 24/04/2021 14:20

Hard enough to name a baby without insisting that other suppress their own accent to pronounce it.
@ZoyaTheDestroyer, it's not a matter of accent, it's mispronunciation. There's a big difference.

Lenny86 · 24/04/2021 09:38

@CaffiSaliMali

I find reactions to Welsh names vary a lot in England. I was born and raised in England, with a Welsh name.

The vast majority of people either don't react, ask me the provenance of the name or compliment it and most people make an effort to pronounce it. I do get some rude comments though, from 'what on earth is that?' to 'can I call you X instead?' to 'oh I'll never manage that, I'll call you Y instead'. It gets misspelled a lot. My peers at school almost all learned how to say it, a sizeable minority of my teachers didn't.

Now I'm in London hardly anyone bats an eyelid at my name and I work with people with names like Geraint, Angharad and Hefin. I notice more positive reactions here. I would happily use a Welsh name for my own DC. Especially something like Alys, Mari, Mali, Tomos, Osian or Owen.

I would be cautious of some of the Welsh letters which don't exist in English though, like Ll. It's why I won't use Esyllt, my favourite Welsh name because I don't think I can live with 'Ess-ilt' Grin

This is really good to know as we’re in London. It’s so multicultural here that I don’t worry too much about using a more unusual name and pronunciation, but am keen to avoid difficult spellings.

With regards to Idris our other concern is that it’s also a Muslim name and when I suggested it previously somebody accused us of cultural appropriation until I pointed out it’s also a Welsh name. Over the past 10 years I’ve met 3 kids called Idris in london - two were Muslim and one had welsh heritage.

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TommyShelby · 23/04/2021 23:38

Hefin
Iago
Ianto
Ioan
Islwyn
Owain
Macsen
Emrys

I really like ‘I’ names 😂🙈 all fairly easy to pronounce once heard I think

IamnotwhouthinkIam · 23/04/2021 23:07

I love Emrys, Macsen, Gethin, Ioan, Huw and Iolo. Or anglicized Owen, Evan, Tristan and Dylan. Osian is okay, I prefer Idris though - I don't see why sharing his first name with an actor matters? (there must be a fair few other Idris's out there).

ZoyaTheDestroyer · 23/04/2021 22:05

Owain
Gethin
Tomos
Carwyn
Cai

Hard enough to name a baby without insisting that other suppress their own accent to pronounce it.

CaffiSaliMali · 23/04/2021 20:09

I find reactions to Welsh names vary a lot in England. I was born and raised in England, with a Welsh name.

The vast majority of people either don't react, ask me the provenance of the name or compliment it and most people make an effort to pronounce it. I do get some rude comments though, from 'what on earth is that?' to 'can I call you X instead?' to 'oh I'll never manage that, I'll call you Y instead'. It gets misspelled a lot. My peers at school almost all learned how to say it, a sizeable minority of my teachers didn't.

Now I'm in London hardly anyone bats an eyelid at my name and I work with people with names like Geraint, Angharad and Hefin. I notice more positive reactions here. I would happily use a Welsh name for my own DC. Especially something like Alys, Mari, Mali, Tomos, Osian or Owen.

I would be cautious of some of the Welsh letters which don't exist in English though, like Ll. It's why I won't use Esyllt, my favourite Welsh name because I don't think I can live with 'Ess-ilt' Grin

amarya · 23/04/2021 19:48

Iolo
Ianto
Tomos

EuphieKat · 23/04/2021 19:46

I have a Harri (pretty hard for people to get that wrong!).

Bert2e · 23/04/2021 19:32

Iolo?

Standrewsschool · 23/04/2021 19:30

More mainstream:
Rhys
David
Gareth
Owen
Evan
Aled
Huw

Less mainstream?
Cadfael
Griffith
Dewi
Emlyn
Geraint
Gwilim

DacwMamYnDwad · 23/04/2021 19:23

I rest my case.

Leytonladee · 23/04/2021 19:13

Llion - pronounced Theeon

DacwMamYnDwad · 23/04/2021 19:11

Not at all precious. If I wanted to use the name Rhys, Dylan or Alun, I would bear in mind that my little Rhys/Dylan/Alun would get called Rees/Dillun/Alan a lot of the time, and I could choose whether or not to use it on that basis.

If you don't speak Welsh, then surely something like David would reflect your heritage and be a lot less hassle.

Most Welsh names sound horrible (to me) when said as if they were English.

Saskiaair · 23/04/2021 18:56

@DacwMamYnDwad my name too. Both Welsh, both fine.
To me it sounds like you're being way too precious. Just allow non Welsh people to enjoy our language and heritage and names.
Feels like you wanna keep all the Welsh names to Wales because only you know how to spell and pronounce them Grin you get this a lot MN. It's weird territorial snobbery!

DacwMamYnDwad · 23/04/2021 18:50

And yes, I have extensive experience of it. I've worked on the Welsh borders and in other parts of the UK. Often in multicultural environments.

Some of my relatives work in non-Welsh speaking parts of the UK and would say the same.

Some of the examples I've given are ones I've seen/heard. The transposed vowels is surprisingly common.

DacwMamYnDwad · 23/04/2021 18:42

@Saskiaair, you are talking about one name, I am talking of several names.

A name like Rhys, Dylan or Gareth are mainstream enough to not infer a Welsh heritage. Names like Gwynfor will be shortened to Gwyn.
Names like Geraint, Llyr or Ynyr will be tricky outside a Welsh speaking environment.

IME, why not make life simple and use something like Griff? You can always teach your child Welsh for the heritage part.

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