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Irish names help!

290 replies

nothingseasy · 17/03/2021 03:39

Hiya,
I'm calling out to all Irish speakers please.

I want to call my baby Ayveen In Irish. I've established from other threads that it's not Aoibheann or Aoibhinn or anything beginning with Aoi as this makes an ee sound. However nobody can conclusively say how it should be spelled.

I'd like to know what letters (diphthong/triphthong) make the aye/ay sound I am looking for. Do they exist in Irish?

Alternatives I've seen are

Éabhaoin
Éimhín
Aibhín

I personally favour the Aibhín but does ai in Irish make the sound ay?

Please help it's driving me mad!!

We are living in England and I want to keep a connection to my Irish heritage so I want an Irish name. We have trawled through them all and this is the only one we liked so when we found out it wasn't even said right we were devastated.

Please don't tell me not to bother with an Irish name in England or that I shouldn't give it an Irish name because they will have trouble e.t.c.

Help resolving the spelling is really all I am after.

Thank you x

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Footle · 17/03/2021 07:13

Lovely bit in Catastrophe, the chap failing to pronounce his daughter's name, Muirrean.

spookycookies · 17/03/2021 07:06

[quote Neap]@spookycookies, it’s more like there being a name that is pronounced ‘Kate’, but randomly spelled ‘Andrew’ by many people even though this makes no sense phonetically (presumably based on a misunderstanding or mispronunciation that somehow became widespread, like Caitlín being pronounced ‘Kate-lynne’), and someone wanting to find an orthographically correct way of writing the sounds of ‘Kate’.

Ayveen written as Aoibheann is particularly irritating because it gets not one but two vowel clusters completely wrong.[/quote]
I accept your premise but then why try to find a spelling that works phonetically in a language for a country in which you don't live. If you don't want to spell it how it's supposed to be spelt then find an easy way to spell it rather than the hardest possible way.

Neap · 17/03/2021 07:02

@spookycookies, it’s more like there being a name that is pronounced ‘Kate’, but randomly spelled ‘Andrew’ by many people even though this makes no sense phonetically (presumably based on a misunderstanding or mispronunciation that somehow became widespread, like Caitlín being pronounced ‘Kate-lynne’), and someone wanting to find an orthographically correct way of writing the sounds of ‘Kate’.

Ayveen written as Aoibheann is particularly irritating because it gets not one but two vowel clusters completely wrong.

Aerielview · 17/03/2021 06:53

Eibhín?

spookycookies · 17/03/2021 06:43

@ILoveStickers

I think that's harsh, *@spookycookies. This is* a name people use in Ireland, but they spell it in a way that OP doesn't want to use. She doesn't like the usual spelling because it's not conforming to Irish spelling rules. That's fair!

It's not really a name that is used in England, or spelled a certain way in England, so there's no obvious "English" spelling to use.

Not really. That's like saying I like the name Kate but I'm going to spell it keight because I like it better. It's either a name with a spelling or it's not. If it is spell it right. If it's not chose an easier spelling to not burden your child with a name that absolutely no one can spell. Even the parents and a forum full of people.
ILoveStickers · 17/03/2021 06:35

I think that's harsh, @spookycookies. This is a name people use in Ireland, but they spell it in a way that OP doesn't want to use. She doesn't like the usual spelling because it's not conforming to Irish spelling rules. That's fair!

It's not really a name that is used in England, or spelled a certain way in England, so there's no obvious "English" spelling to use.

Neap · 17/03/2021 06:32

@spookycookies

You've basically inventing a name and are trying to back fill a seriously difficult spelling. Just spell it phonetically for the country your child will grow up in as even if they move to Ireland people will still be more familiar with the anglicised spelling than your made up one.
Alas, should the OP’s child move to Ireland, she’s likely to encounter the annoyingly-prevalent ‘Aoibheann’, which is actually pronounced ‘Even’.
spookycookies · 17/03/2021 06:29

You've basically inventing a name and are trying to back fill a seriously difficult spelling. Just spell it phonetically for the country your child will grow up in as even if they move to Ireland people will still be more familiar with the anglicised spelling than your made up one.

spookycookies · 17/03/2021 06:26

Why would you give your kid a name you don't even know. This is so nonsensical. And if you can't even spell it how do you expect your child to cope. You are burdening them with a name no one will ever be able to pronounce or spell. I'm not against Irish names/spellings but since you don't even know how it's spelled I think it's selfish.

Neap · 17/03/2021 06:22

No, not ‘Ai’ for ‘any’, OP, but actually, well done on not doing the ‘Aoibheann pronounced Ayveen in contravention of all Irish rules of pronunciation’ thing.

I mean, you’re sort of inventing a name in that you’re trying to find a not-incorrect orthography, but think I agree with @ILoveStickers, that I’d go with Éabhín.

Or Éabhaoin.

ILoveStickers · 17/03/2021 05:55

I've seen ai (as in Aidan and Ailis) described as an Anglicised spelling here before. Ai as in Aisling would be how it's pronounced in Irish? But I do like it too.

Personally my best guess for what you want would be Éabhín, but someone will be along shortly, I'm sure.

FolkSongSweet · 17/03/2021 04:40

Yes you’re right OP it’s definitely not Aoibheann - that’s an annoying mistake which is unfortunately really common. It would also be really tricky for English people so a nightmare all round.

I know an Aibhín.

nothingseasy · 17/03/2021 04:18

Thanks for replying, being from Ireland I also thought this was the case but from lots and lots of research, I've pretty much established Aoi is an ee sound only. Aoife=ee-fa Aoibh=Eve Saoirse= seer-sha there are lots of threads with people explaining that there are no examples in the Irish language where those letters Aoi make the sound ay.
Unfortunately we Irish don't know our language very well and have just adopted the incorrect pronunciation.
I know many many Irish ppl do pronounce it Ay-veen when spelled Aoibheann and that's fine for them but personally I really want this to be phonetically and grammatically correct.

If there is a correct way to spell it in Irish, I would definitely prefer to have it in Irish.

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MindyStClaire · 17/03/2021 04:10

She wants the name to sound like Ayveen though, so Aoibheann won't work, none of the vowel sounds are right.

MildDrPepperAddiction · 17/03/2021 03:53

The proper way to spell it is Aoibheann.

Í also gives an e sound in Irish, but not sure how you'd replace it.

As an Irish speaker, I'd say give her the proper name/spelling. Don't butcher it to make it fit english pronunciation. People learn to pronounce and spell plenty of foreign language names. Why not this?

Congrats on your pregnancy 😊 hope all goes well with your birth.

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