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Opinions on Ivan (pronounced Ee-vahn)

115 replies

ttcAlex · 19/10/2020 09:45

The title says it really. What do you think of the boy's name Ivan (pronounced Ee-van)? Be honest pls.

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EssentialHummus · 19/10/2020 14:56

We have this with DD's name (also E'European family). It's fine, we introduce her as, let's say, Yulia, and she now answers to both Yulia and Julia. Her (actual) name gets mangled by Northerners with short "a"s, but that's the only issue we've found.

goldenharvest · 19/10/2020 14:56

Ah. If it's paired with an Eastern European surname it's more likely to be pronounced Ee Vaan.

I've heard Ivan Ivanovich. (No idea who he is). But my automatic reaction is to pronounce it ee vaan

AlexaShutUp · 19/10/2020 14:52

By the way, some people on here and the 'why would you change how it's pronounced' attitude, as if the way they're used to something is the ONLY way

This! Unbelievable responses.

Personally, I think the Eastern European pronunciation is much nicer, OP, and while you (and your ds) might have to correct people quite often, it shouldn't be difficult for people to say once they know.

A lot of people will probably realise that it's the Eastern European pronunciation anyway, given that it's paired with an Eastern European surname. I'd assume that personally.

JemimaTiggywinkle · 19/10/2020 14:43

I think you should go for it. With an Eastern European surname as well I think people will be more likely to pronounce it how you want it to be pronounced, once they’ve heard you say it.

A lot of people with non-British names have their name pronounced differently in their family, and with others. I think it’s fine as long as that doesn’t bother you.

NavyBerry · 19/10/2020 14:39

Since you have some EE heritage and you know how to pronounce and spell it correctly it is fine. Better to keep it "Ivan" so that your DS could relate to your grandfather. It is classic and strong

Bromeliad · 19/10/2020 14:24

I have a daughter who also has a name with the I/Ee sound at the start. We pronounce it both ways depending on where we are and who we're with (DH is German). Could that be an option. It's my English grandmother's name but I don't mind the German pronunciation.

superram · 19/10/2020 14:13

It’s not pronounced e-van though is it? It’s I-van......

OrangeLeavesYellowLeaves · 19/10/2020 14:08

I love family names with some history attached.

OrangeLeavesYellowLeaves · 19/10/2020 14:04

I think it's a non issue then op.

You call him by the name as you would naturally then by older age range he gets to either point out the pronunciation to new acquaintance or go with the flow and maybe end up called Vanny or something equally tangential!

NoSquirrels · 19/10/2020 12:56

@ttcAlex

To pp - tbf I like the EYE-van pronunciation as well and won't mind at all if he decides to use that outside the family when he grows up. It's just that the ee-VAN pronunciation comes naturally to me as an Eastern European and it would feel slightly weird to call him otherwise within the family.
You're fine, then. If it won't upset you that other people will pronounce it differently, or even that your son might end up being called different things by different people in different contexts, then go for it.

It's only really an issue when parents pick a name with several common pronunciations and then get super offended when people get it wrong. Because it's a predictable occurence and you can't really dictate this stuff in the real world. As long as you're pragmatic about it then it's all good. (And I love names that honour family, personally - so nice to have a connection to the past.)

SeanCailleach · 19/10/2020 12:42

I would assume ee-van but I would check. Classic name, evidently a sophistication test too, which is useful.

rorosemary · 19/10/2020 12:17

Oops caught up reading the thread now. Funny how so many claim that the english pronounciation is the correct one when it's actually the wrong one.

rorosemary · 19/10/2020 12:12

@Mrsmorton

That's not how it's pronounced.
That really depends on the language, it is pronounced like the OP said in my language. It's a slavic name originally, isn't it? How do they pronounce it there?
maybelou · 19/10/2020 11:58

I would automatically pronounce that Ee-van personally and I think it's a great name OP!

ttcAlex · 19/10/2020 11:45

To pp - tbf I like the EYE-van pronunciation as well and won't mind at all if he decides to use that outside the family when he grows up. It's just that the ee-VAN pronunciation comes naturally to me as an Eastern European and it would feel slightly weird to call him otherwise within the family.

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ttcAlex · 19/10/2020 11:39

Evan is nice but is an entirely different name in my view, with a different meaning and origin to Ivan. And it's not his grandfather's name, who we would love to honour. Not at every cost though, certainly not at the child's cost, hence I'm trying to figure out and predict how he would cope with this name and pronunciation in the Uk.

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elfran · 19/10/2020 11:37

I think Ivan pronounced either way is lovely, and particularly the way you intend, OP (which, as established is a perfectly valid pronunciation is many parts of the world and not "incorrect" at all! Hmm)

This is interesting to me because it brings up the question of how much of a "name" is in the pronunciation (vs the spelling). I'm Canadian, DH is English - many of the names on our list we pronounce slightly differently (heck, he pronounces my own name differently than I do!). When you factor in his Welsh dad and Scottish grandmother, it's likely that any name we choose will have at least two pronunciations just within our family.

Which is all to say, how much would it bother you if others didn't get on board with your pronunciation? Say, when he's a teenager, if your DS got sick of correcting people and was happy to be "Eye-van" to his mates at school and "Ee-van" to his family, would that be terrible? It's all in knowing how much variation/bother of correcting people you can personally take.

That said, I agree with PP that once told, most people should be able to get on board with your intended pronunciation - it's not that difficult!

goldenharvest · 19/10/2020 11:28

People will pronounce it eye van no matter what you say. It's ok, but just ok. Why not Evan? Much softer

ElizabethMainwaring · 19/10/2020 11:26

@ttcAlex

To pp - i didn't even realise I've put two different pronunciations in the title and the opening post. We would pronounce it "ee-VAN", with an "i" as in big and stress on Van.
Thank you, that's much more clear! Ivan pronounced like that is fine, it's lovely, go for it Smile
TheDaydreamBelievers · 19/10/2020 11:25

A nice name! Like others, as a Scot I would naturally assume Ivan was "eye-van" and Evan was "Ee-van" or "Eh-van" but I'd remember once corrected

Alonelonelyloner · 19/10/2020 11:14

Oooh Vanya is lovely @murmurgam .

People who assume that the only right way is their way are just absurd.
As you'll have an Eastern European surname with it, I can't see the problem and people will learn. eeVAN (Ivan) is much nicer than Eyevan in my view and due to being a very popular name in Russia and Eastern Europe, more common too.

TheSeedsOfADream · 19/10/2020 11:01

There's a difference between Ivan /I:van/ which is used arguably in far more places than /aiven/ (add Italy and most Med countries to the list)= two perfectly correct pronunciations..and the Ava example which is just a parent inventing a unique one!

That said, the ones I've known were always given the "Ivan the Terrible" nickname in school so that might put me off.

murmurgam · 19/10/2020 11:01

The Ukranian Ivan I knew went by Vanya in day to day life (think that's the diminutive). Got round the incorrect pronunciation issue

pantherrose · 19/10/2020 10:55

I think it’s a great name, but perhaps consider spelling it Yvan rather than Ivan, which makes it slightly easier for folks to pronounce correctly!

NeverAMillionMilesAway · 19/10/2020 10:30

I think if you want people to pronounce it E-van, you're going to have to spell it Evan. Because spelt Ivan, people will pronounce it I-van

Even Evan has been ruined. Where I live most people would say 'Eaven (Heaven with a dropped H)!