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No one can pronounce my baby's name!

235 replies

Bewilderbeastie · 18/09/2020 08:40

Had my baby this year - decided upon a name which is definitely not common but (we thought) really not difficult. It's very short, two syllables, no special characters, nothing odd about how you pronounce it (it's very say what you see).

We both saw it, loved it, didn't consider people would she trouble with it... But they do! I've heard every wrong iteration of it. Even when we say what the correct pronunciation is, people continue to struggle?! We've been witnessing this with growing horror and worried now we've saddled our child with a name that will haunt them for life. Every time I hear someone say it wrong, I cringe inside. I can only imagine what it's going to be like for my LO.

It can be shortened even further, so that's an option. But it's not the name we fell in love with.

Any tips on dealing with this? Both my husband and I have very trad names so never had this ourselves. It gets a bit awkward to keep correcting people... Help!

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MikeUniformMike · 19/09/2020 19:14

I've said a few times that Carys is like the welsh Karen - both popular a the same time.
Rhian and Ian.

From my attempts to find a reasonable pronunciation of Rhian online, I can only assume that the correct pronunciation is almost lost, cf Dylan, Rhys, Rhiannon and Sian.

Rhianna is a bit Confused .

dementedma · 19/09/2020 18:28

I lnow a Dafydd who goes by Dai as no-one can pronounce Dafydd. Its a shame as its lovely

dementedma · 19/09/2020 18:20

Yes, ma'am should rhyme with ham.
Don't say marm

MikeUniformMike · 19/09/2020 18:12

It isn't the same @peanacat.
What point is there in teaching someone the wrong pronunciation?

By your argument, Feo would be how to say Theo, and it's close enough.

peanacat · 19/09/2020 18:03

[quote MikeUniformMike]@peanacat, I disagree with you R and Rh are distinctly different letters and sounds. They might be pronounced as Ree-ann where you are from but that's like saying Clare is pronounced Clurr because it sounds like that in Merseyside.[/quote]
Ffs it is literally so similar to say Ree and ‘Rhee’ esp if you aren’t a welsh speaker and haven’t grown up hearing it. I was only giving an opinion on how I know it to be said. Particularly as my area of Wales actually doesn’t have a strong accent of anywhere in particular I’ve been told. It’s so irritating saying one thing on MN and several people just picking you apart, though normally its the OP that gets it.

MikeUniformMike · 19/09/2020 17:08

@peanacat, I disagree with you R and Rh are distinctly different letters and sounds. They might be pronounced as Ree-ann where you are from but that's like saying Clare is pronounced Clurr because it sounds like that in Merseyside.

MikeUniformMike · 19/09/2020 17:04

Gwenllian is Gwen LLEE-ann
The LL is almost impossible to say unless you have learnt it at a young age.
The shortened form is Llio not Gwen.

Llio is LLEE-o' (o like in of)

peanacat · 19/09/2020 13:28

[quote ArseyWelshNameBore]**@peanacat, Rhian is pronounced Ree-ann.

It isn't.
It is pronounced RH-EE-ann.

There is no R in it.[/quote]
I am welsh, grew up in Wales and had several friends named Rhian, Rhiannon and Rhianna. So yes, it is said Ree-ann clearly in some dialects because that’s how we said it. I wouldn’t comment on a post if I didn’t know how it is said (at least in one area of Wales)

SoloMummy · 19/09/2020 12:48

@SmileyClare

It probably won't be a big an issue as you imagine as she grows up.

However, I would feel quite insulted if a grandparent consistently got it wrong! Is your MIL being deliberately obtuse because she doesn't like the name? Unless she has cognitive or processsing issues then she should be able to correctly pronounce a 2 syllable name when shown how to.

I'd feel quite hurt about that.

I disagree. It took my own grandparent nearly 3 years to say my Lo's name correctly. Despite it being a 2 syllable mainstream name. It wasn't about being obtuse, it just took time and others around us repeating the name before it clicked. Just because it's an inlaw doesn't have to mean there's some underlying sinister reason. The op has chosen a Welsh name, in an area that this is quite obviously not typical. This sadly is a potential consequence and the child may well now be forever ladled with a name that is constantly pronounced and no doubt spelt incorrectly....
Aimelabhaoise · 19/09/2020 12:43

I would definitely keep the name, having a common name is so boring! My middle name is Irish and I’m constantly asked how to pronounce it before people even attempt it, then people give it their best shot, it’s a conversation starter. My first name is a boring, common name (Spelt differently so I constantly get Aine). I would have far preferred a nice Irish name like Aoife, Saoirse, Eabha etc.

CaffiSaliMali · 19/09/2020 12:08

In my experience Nia is mispronounced as Near as the 'A for apple' sound in the letter a tends to become 'uh' in a lot of English accents.

I'm half Welsh/English, born and raised in England and I have to work hard not to slip into Near for Nia and into Ei-ruh for Eira.

CaffiSaliMali · 19/09/2020 12:05

Adelaide - Rhian is pronounced Rhee-Anne. There is no R in Rhian as Rh is a letter in Welsh.
www.bbc.co.uk/wales/livinginwales/sites/howdoisay/names/index.shtml?rh

Welsh has a different alphabet to English, it doesn't contain the letter K for example. It has letters with don't exist in English - Ll, Ch, Rh, Ng, Ph, Ff. Ff is pronounced like F in English and the letter F in Welsh is pronounced like the English letter V.

So Hefin is pronounced Hevin, not Heffin, for example.

MerryMarigold · 19/09/2020 11:46

Nia gets mispronounced as Nigh-ah

My friend has one and that's how she pronounces it. I supposed it could be Knee-ah (is that how you say it?), but I've always thought of it as Nigh-ah because of my friend's child.

MerryMarigold · 19/09/2020 11:43

I get called Ell-ay-nah, Ellen-or, even Helen. I don't mind. My friends say it right. I love my name and its slightly unusual spelling. Don't change your daughter's name. I bet she'll love it as she grows up.

ClashCityRocker · 19/09/2020 11:11

I suppose ffion could conceivably be Fy-on rather than fee-on.

I know a Lauren who gets Lau-on (to rhyme with moron) rather then lo-ren.

My name is sometimes mispronounced. It's a minor irritation at best.

AdelaideK · 19/09/2020 11:04

Is Rhian pronounced Ree-ann then? I assumed it was like Ian but with an R in front.

I'd say Danyell not Dannyelle.

MikeUniformMike · 19/09/2020 10:50

Nia gets mispronounced as Nigh-ah.

Just 3 letters and they f**k it up. This was on Radio 4.

It also gets Nai. Confused

MikeUniformMike · 19/09/2020 10:48

@Diverseopinions, Tessny

tywysoges · 19/09/2020 10:40

Confused I thought it was impossible to mispronounce Ffion!

Diverseopinions · 19/09/2020 10:19

Out of interest, how would Tesni be pronounced authentically? Gwenllian?

CaffiSaliMali · 19/09/2020 09:43

I pronounce Danielle as Dan-yell and Daniel as Dan-yull. Everyone I know with those names where I grew up pronounced them the same way.

I would love to know OP's DD's name but it's probably sufficiently unusual enough in England as to out her if anyone she knows sees this thread.

I also suspect it's something like Nia being mispronounced as Near, Tesni as Tez-nee, Bethan as Bethun, Megan as Megun, or Gwenllian as Gwenleeun. The last four could be shortened to Tess, Beth, Meg and Gwen respectively.

MikeUniformMike · 19/09/2020 09:26

@LunaLula83, if OP said something like "DD's name is Carys and we live in Derbyshire (or wherever)". it would pretty much out her.

Dafspunk · 19/09/2020 08:44

Lol at the people saying you should only have to correct people once. If only this were true...

Diverseopinions · 19/09/2020 08:39

I think the answer is to ask close family members to be completely truthful. '"Are we loving the roots of the name and unconsciously pronouncing it with a soft Welsh inflection and lilt which makes it difficult for the listener to catch certain sounds?". And: "Is the wrong way people try to say this name completely awful, or should we just put up with the mangling and be cool about DD having to put up with mispronunciation? And: " Is the mispronunciation actually virtually the same - and we are being precious?"

I've got a totally different view of naming to what I had years ago. I now think that a name is a tool for getting through life; it's for easy identification. Of course if people are going to say a person's name differently to how it will be written down, it's going a pain at the least and potentially more negative if confusion and misidentification results.

Parents spend much of their child's life being told, rightly, that what matters is what is best for the child, and the child's choice is what is important. Therefore, I think it's useful to give a name which the recipient can play around with and shorten or add a 'y' to suit themselves. Among friends, nick-names are given, partners use pet names, kids say 'mum'. It's the official identification aspect of naming which needs the careful thought -IMO.

missmouse101 · 19/09/2020 08:38

Is it Lowri? A beautiful name.