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Welsh names

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AderynOren · 06/04/2020 20:31

We are Welsh and looking for some lovely names for either sex. We aren't totally set on using a Welsh name but the right one may sway us Daffodil

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MikeUniformMike · 08/04/2020 07:25

Aniera sounds like a South American guerrilla. Aneira is a name but I suspect it is Ann+Eira, so could be a bit naff. See pp about transposed vowels.

I don't get the current love of Eira. It's a pretty name but suspect it is the Eva, Ava, Ivy, Ida, Evie, Edie, Ellie, Ella, Erin... trend. Same goes for Elin. Samey but with mispronouncing opportunities. I know many Elins, and it's an old name. Elen seems fresher.

Amser isn't a name and would be nicknamed Hamster.

Elain (EL-ine) mentioned upthread is Fawn - a young deer.

MadameJosephine · 07/04/2020 22:42

A colleague at work recently had a baby girl and named her Aniera which I think is beautiful

AderynOren · 07/04/2020 22:41

@DingoDing I think @caffisalimali may be a Sian 

Oh yes @MikeUniformMike I forgot about Mai! That's a pretty one but as you said, perhaps more of a filler name.

One self proclaimed Welsh name site has "Amser" down for a girl ConfusedConfusedConfused oh dear! Imagine "amser cartref" and off she trots!

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DingoDing · 07/04/2020 22:31

My favourites are

Twm
Lowri

(I think @CaffiSaliMali might be a Lowri!)

MikeUniformMike · 07/04/2020 22:25

Glain means bead.

The filler middle name I forgot to mention was Mai. (My) Overused.

Can't say what I thought it was Caff. My guess it is that it is not in your user name but not that different. Your comment changed my mind. If you are from where you say you are from, you would probably be traceable so won't post it just in case. What a nice teacher. That is a great example of what happens. cf. I used to live in Denbighshire, and on spelling it would be told ' I know how to spell Denby ' - er yes but Denby is not only wrong , it looks very much like Derby. Postcodes weren't always around.

Breton names look a bit too alike to Welsh that they might look wrong. I don't know many bretons but their kids have nice names - admittedly the names had me puzzled initially.

Maman - you could do that welsh thing of middle name as known as name when in Wales, so that they are Firstname Llywelyn (love this name) and Firstname Glain (subst name of choice) when with Taid and Nain.

slartibartfastsbeard · 07/04/2020 22:05

Isn't Avalon Afallon in Welsh? Aflan to me (first language Welsh) just means something disgustingly dirty.

MikeUniformMike · 07/04/2020 22:00

The Heini Gruffudd book is fine. Many of the web sites for welsh baby names are dodgy.

MrsJakeLovell · 07/04/2020 21:32

I saw a girl wearing a Manon name tag in a supermarket in Brittany and it is welsh too. I really like that name for a girl.

mamansnet · 07/04/2020 21:31

@AderynOren I've got a Welsh Names for Children book by Heini Gruffudd that I picked up in Caernarfon, any Welsh bookshops near you that might stock it? Or Amazon, obvs (trying to support local shops first!)

MrsJakeLovell · 07/04/2020 21:31

Gwenllian
Eleri
Lleucu
Angharad
Gwawr

Gruffydd
Gwydion
Talfryn
Llewelyn
Pryderi
Taliesin
Islwyn

mamansnet · 07/04/2020 21:28

The Welsh name will be a second/middle name so it really can be anything as it won't be used regularly. My DS's middle name is Llywelyn, nobody ever says it but I'm so proud that he has it and my in-laws have even learned how to pronounce it correctly!

The first name will be something that works in French and English, ideally with the same spelling. I didn't want DS to have to live with a Mathieu/Matthew type situation where it's always but his name is quite rare over here and people mispronounce it a lot, despite DH wrongly telling me it was well known in France. That said, it is a beautiful name (very outing!) and I don't regret it.

@MikeUniformMike thanks for the Breton tip but I find all Breton names awful! DH's family are Breton, but the middle name has to be cast-iron Welsh. DS will play rugby for Wales one day after all Grin

SirVixofVixHall · 07/04/2020 21:22

I went to school with a Teleri, never shortened, thankfully.

CaffiSaliMali · 07/04/2020 21:12

@AderynOren

Macsen has an interesting history and legend behind it: www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2018/09/name-of-the-week-macsen.html

Alys is gorgeous. Fflur also gorgeous, but harder for non-Welsh speakers to pronounce. If you like Fflur, how about Ffion?

As Mike says, correcting your name gets tiresome. I usually give up after 2 or 3 attempts and accept my fate. Also, people can be very funny about being corrected. I had an unpleasant teacher who told me it was rude for children to correct how adults pronounce their name when I politely corrected her in class (first register). So I always feel awkward doing it! I can live with the mispronunciation but my Mam hates it. A colleague in my last job made the mistake of getting it wrong in the Cardiff office and was treated to a lecture on Welsh grammar Grin

@MikeUniformMike - if said name has an English equivalent beginning with the same letter that was popular in the 80s then you're right Smile Mam thought she had nailed 'Welsh name which will work in England', bless her.

@mamansnet - never heard of Glain before, but I like it. Tesni is gorgeous, I love the meaning as well.

I like Eleri. DH used to struggle not to say 'Ellerry' until DuoLingo introduced him to Eleri Lingo. Meleri reminds me of Malaria (by sight, not sound, also I have a strange mind so it's probably just me). Teleri is nice, but I worry her nickname would be Telly or TV (I knew a girl at school with a similar ish name this happened to).

TypicalMeBreakMyTypicalRules · 07/04/2020 21:00

My favourite is Catrin Smile

AderynOren · 07/04/2020 20:57

@RuudGullitOnAShed I have two friends who spell it Bronwyn and Bronwynn

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RuudGullitOnAShed · 07/04/2020 20:50

@mikeuniformmike - I'm deep in Welsh Wales and I've taught three Bronwyns who all spelt it with a y - I know traditionally that was the male version but I think the name is now generally considered female.

AderynOren · 07/04/2020 20:50

I also really like Wyn, Gwyn and Griff

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AderynOren · 07/04/2020 20:47

@mikeuniformmike we are still in Wales and both we and our families have strong welsh accents. I only worry that maybe DS/DD may want to move or travel. While identity and our roots are important to us, we also want them to enjoy their name and not have to explain how it sounds every day Confused That's what the tough balance is.

DH is happy with Haf but I think it's more of a middle name and he otherwise liked posher sounding names which are completely different... a tough one! I've tried to get him to imagine the posh names with our accents too!!!! Haha!

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MikeUniformMike · 07/04/2020 20:46

I wondered how long it would take for someone to suggest Bronwyn.

@RuudGullitOnAShed, It is Bronwen.

RuudGullitOnAShed · 07/04/2020 20:40

Cadi
Bronwyn
Mabli
Tegan
Nesta
Anwen
Rhiannon

Iori
Llyr
Iwan
Owain

MikeUniformMike · 07/04/2020 20:28

Are you in France? I'd be tempted to look at Breton names. They'll be a bit of nod to your celtic background and will work better. Some of the names are delightful. Some like Yvan are very similar to the welsh versions.

What I mean by not travel is that they will be met with confusion. The tendency is to find the nearest name they know or have a stab at it, or a refusal to use it and just use something else.

An example would be Geraint. You'll get Jeraint, Guh-rant, Grant ...Er WTF
Gwenllian will be Gwenthly-ann, Gwenlillian, Gwenli-un or I'm not even going to try to say that, and worse
Mair will be Mare or Maia
Meinir - My-nur or Men-ee-ur
Llinos - Clee-nose
The child will get this almost daily. Sometimes several times a day.
You can try to teach people but it will get tiresome after the first few hundred times.

I would use a welsh middle name. Fflur and Glain stand out as my current favourites. Haf is a filler middle name.

Some of the names will work in France and whereas they might not work in England or Scotland, they'll be lovely in a french accent. I think Luc is nice, Fflur will sound ok (they'll say Fleur). Gethin is fine in England but won't work in France. Manon is a name in France and Wales.

If your family has a broad welsh accent - I'd consider how the name will sound back home. I wanted Mary for a DD (I know but as much as I love the name Mair, it wouldn't work down here) but it would have been 'Merry' back home.

AderynOren · 07/04/2020 20:05

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mamansnet · 07/04/2020 19:56

@MikeUniformMike Ail iaith ond yn siaradwr, o Ngwynedd yn wreiddiol a tramor dyddiau ‘ma.

Doesn't really matter for the names that don't travel, it's more a nod to my Welsh heritage that I'm after. I had so many options for DS and really struggling if the next one is a DD!

AderynOren · 07/04/2020 19:54

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MikeUniformMike · 07/04/2020 19:51

How about Raili, Tedi, Ffrea, Lifai... Grin