What are the upper classes calling their boys nowadays?

"I agree, bob is definitely an upper class name,"

Only when it's Catherine on the birth certificate

Indeed, lottie. My parents are a retired bin man and a retired hospital cleaner, both left school early, we were extremely poor. But, though my income isn’t big, I have a multiple postgraduate degrees including a PhD and work in a middle-class profession — however I identify, my income, education, social and cultural capital would see me classified as middle-class by virtually all classifications.

*recently found out that giving the baby gin to help it sleep at night might not be the best idea?!

I agree, bob is definitely an upper class name, it is commonly known for being short for bobastion.

Or indeed through luck, circumstance or 'marrying out'?

Sessy's family must be rigid in their collective determination to interbreed only with 'people like us', generation after generation.

We are all in a certain earning bracket, with a specific limitation on our lifestyles and that is what we are.

Really?! By getting a good education and working hard there's never a chance of improving your lifestyle?

Sessy19 you've gone from identity politics ( he considered himself WC, so he was ), to class as money ( He didn't become MC. He never had money ). But what if a rich person 'considers themselves WC'? To some weird kind of heritable social determinism (... a specific limitation on our lifestyles ...).

Those are three contradictory arguments. Which is it?

Your family is forever working class in exactly the same way that mine are tree-dwelling primates. People change, over lifetimes and over generations.

That's the point @Tiramisu1. @pallisers and I are saying that just because someone's heritage isn't solely English (which is what pp upthread were getting at about Megan, hence me leaving out white non English), class still exists.

‘Megan ist middle class, she's US middle class without a doubt.’

To be fair a peculiarity of America is that everyone claims to be a variation of middle class. An ex of mine came from a solidly working class family, father worked on the railroads and mother was a waitress, but he’d describe his upbringing as lower middle class. They just don’t seem to refer to ‘working class’ in the same way.

Intrigued by the poster whose great-grandfather was an acclaimed consultant but claims that they themselves are still working class. Unless there was a major downturn in the subsequent generation’s fortunes I find this hard to believe.

He didn’t become middle class. He never had money. He was a wartime physician, he just did some amazing work. One doesn’t win the Nobel prize and suddenly become another class, or get awarded a medal of honour and become nobility.

It really doesn’t matter. We are all in a certain earning bracket, with a specific limitation on our lifestyles and that is what we are. It’s not reverse snobbery, it’s just our reality.

Or Swedish Uni lectures? All working class?!

And I agree @pallisers , there is this painfully daft idea that all forriners must be working class

Really? French university educated City bankers are 'working class'

Oh @Keener ! Your post made me burst out laughing! So, there's this world class surgeon performing top notch life saving and altering operations and there's also a rustle in the mines and the hospital staff common room that

Obviously at weekends I'm a tree-dwelling primate.

ALL of my 10,000xgreat grandparents were tree-dwelling primates, so you cannot possibly tell me I am wrong.

He was of working class origins then. His became middle class. His children will have been firmly middle class.

Or may I, by your 'self-ID system of class', identify as peasantry on Tuesdays, aristocracy on Thursdays (and expect to be 'considered so' by others)?

He considered himself working class because his parents were a farmer and a librarian. And if HE considered himself of working class, that’s what he is.

How is Meghan lower class? She would certainly not be considered lower class within the class system of the US. Are all foreigners lower class?

It's the superfluous "h"

Is Benedictine's brother Cistercian?

My great grandfather was a renowned consultant surgeon, he has a sea named after him. He’s still considered working class.

I was wondering exactly the same! Surely most people wouldn't consider him 'working class'

@DeloresJaneUmbridge oh, JRM has some crackers names - 'Tom Wentworth Somerset' 'Anselm Charles FitzWilloam' and his sister is Annunziata 😂

My great grandfather was a renowned consultant surgeon, he has a sea named after him. He’s still considered working class. Education has nothing to do with class.

Who exactly considered this renowned consultant surgeon 'working class'?

A lot of the people who star in the high-brow televisual feast that is Made in Chelsea would be considered 'posh', even though many of them seem to have their roots in..........trade. e.g one of them is the ancestor of Mr McVitie, another comes from the McIntosh toffee family. They may not be considered to be quite top drawer by England's truly aristocratic families, but I don't think you can claim to be working class just because a grandparent was.

Weren't Albert and Victoria first cousins? Wasn't marrying a cousin who was a member of another royal family pretty common? That's inbreeding.

No because it was a fucking joke