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Can we triple barrel our child's name?

113 replies

TooManySurnames · 19/02/2019 00:11

Ok, before I start, last time I did a thread it got picked up by journos so, just in case: please fuck off lazy journo twats.

Right. I have a single 2 syllable surname, lets say "Austen". My partner has a 3-2 syllable double barrelled name, with the first part being relevant to his heritage, say "González-Peters". We both want to share our surnames with our child, and neither of us are willing to change or drop our names, so we're in a stand off. I think he should give the first part of his name as a middle name, and double barrel the rest with mine:

[John] [González] [Peters-Austen]

He think's we should use both names as surnames, but without hyphenating:

[John] [González-Peters Austen]/ [Austen González-Peters]

I think 3 names is too much to saddle a child with, especially when part of it is already hard to spell/ pronounce. He says that it's not 3 names, it's 2, i.e. his name is not "González"+"Peters", its "González-Peters". If we were Peters-Austen then our child would have his fathers name and my name, but not his name. I can see his logic but I still think it's too much, you can't just keep adding names forever!

I'm putting it to the MN jury, and also open to alternative solutions. Will probably show him this thread.

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Skirmisher · 19/02/2019 15:21

The OP says neither of them will back down and that they're in a standoff @Skirmisher

Yes but the OP seems pretty determined to avoid the 'unworkable bitch of a name' scenario.

MrsNai · 19/02/2019 15:19

Double-barrelled names are standard in Hispanic culture. The structure is first half of father's surname followed by first half of mother's surname.

Would that work for your child?

Lweji · 19/02/2019 15:17

I think it's ok to give all the names, but not to triple barrel them.

I'd go for your first option. One of his names as middle name and one from each of you as the double barrel name.

As a former immigrant to the UK, keeping the main surnames english makes life for the child much easier.

So, my vote goes fully to [John] [González] [Peters-Austen]

EstrellaDamn · 19/02/2019 15:16

Really, with my one post on the matter. Ok.

SileneOliveira · 19/02/2019 15:14

Totally agree that if it is a hispanic name, then he's being hugely unreasonable.

Father: Pedro Lopez Cardinal
Mother: Ana Ruiz Garcia.
Child: Antonio LOPEZ RUIZ.

So in your case, the option is Child Gonzalez-Austen. Three surnames is far too much of a mouthful unless you're Spanish aristocracy.

LisaSimpsonsbff · 19/02/2019 15:11

Yes, and I think you're berating the people in this situation quite unnecessarily!

SnarkyGorgon · 19/02/2019 15:10

We have a similar dilemma, except one of the parents who provide one half of the double barrel is dead, so it requires my DH deciding whether he chooses to honour his dead parent, or the only living one. Names and families are complicated and it’s amazing how emotive this subject can be when you start delving into it. We haven’t come up with a solution yet. My name has 2 syllables, each of his is only one, so I’ve suggested just removing the hyphen and making his name a single name, so it’s the equivalent of Snarky Corr-Smith Johnson becoming Snarky Corrsmith-Johnson, but he’s still pushing back on that!

EstrellaDamn · 19/02/2019 15:08

So what @LisaSimpsonsbff we are talking about this situation not any other one!

EstrellaDamn · 19/02/2019 15:07

The OP says neither of them will back down and that they're in a standoff @Skirmisher

Muddysnowdrop · 19/02/2019 14:55

Yeah my surname is a middle name for dc and I wish now it wasn’t - I should have double barrelled.

LisaSimpsonsbff · 19/02/2019 14:55

But Lisa I'm referring to this egotistical battle of wills in which neither parent will back down, but would rather saddle their child with an unworkable bitch of a name instead.

Yeah, again, people don't seem to see it as an egotistical battle of wills when a man thinks the whole family should have his surname and nothing but. At least OP and her DH are trying to compromise and listen to each other and they're starting from the basic premise that they should both get an equal stake in this, they just disagree about how to do that. What 'oh it's no big deal for one name to go' currently equates to is women giving up their names the vast majority of the time.

Skirmisher · 19/02/2019 14:53

egotistical battle of wills in which neither parent will back down, but would rather saddle their child with an unworkable bitch of a name instead.

But that's not the case here.

Heyha · 19/02/2019 14:51

I agree with a few PP that you should run with the Hispanic method of dropping the mother's part of your DP's surname swing as that's what would have happened if you'd also been double-barrelled Hispanic (and you'd have also lost your mother's part of your name). Surely following the tradition is much more of a nod to his heritage than doing some compromise, maybe put it to your DP that way?

EstrellaDamn · 19/02/2019 14:50

But Lisa I'm referring to this egotistical battle of wills in which neither parent will back down, but would rather saddle their child with an unworkable bitch of a name instead.

Having or not having part of a name doesn't make a child any less the product of two families coming together.

drspouse · 19/02/2019 14:46

Surely if you have Spanish (or Portuguese) heritage you go with:

Father is Pancho Orozco Gonzalez (sorry can't do accents - because he got Orozco from his dad and Gonzalez from his mum)
Mother is Maria Cruz Diaz

Child is therefore Orozco Cruz and if you are in an English speaking country and you want people to understand that this is their last name, in toto, you use Orozco-Cruz.

So in your case
Baby Gonzalez-Austen

You can of course give them two surnames as in Spanish tradition
Baby Gonzalez Austen
And you can even tell people it's a two part surname. Whether you choose to do that depends on whether you want to keep on telling people.

My DCs have my last name as their final middle name and some people think they are double barrelled, or that we all are.

LisaSimpsonsbff · 19/02/2019 14:44

This is very silly. It's the equivalent of tattooing a child all over with 'MADE BY SUSAN AND JOHN GONZALEZ-AUSTIN-PETERS'

I think this is a bit unfair - no one says this about a man who wants his wife to change her name to his and then give it to the children too, even though that's arguably much more territorial. I can understand why the DH wants both names included, but it's just not practical and so he's going to have to compromise.

LisaSimpsonsbff · 19/02/2019 14:40

Basically what I'm saying is I don't view a middle name as the lesser option.

That's totally up to you, but for most people it is - and it tends, in a shocking coincidence, to be mostly women who end up having their name as a middle not a surname. Most people use their surname daily and their middle name very rarely.

EstrellaDamn · 19/02/2019 14:33

This is very silly. It's the equivalent of tattooing a child all over with 'MADE BY SUSAN AND JOHN GONZALEZ-AUSTIN-PETERS'

The kid will still be the descendant of all it's ancestors. Your DH may as well pee all over the poor kid if he feels that territorial about it.

I suggest you both lose all the names and start from scratch with a name you choose together and both love. I've known three couples to do that!

WhatNow40 · 19/02/2019 14:31

Has anyone mentioned an email address? I went from a name 5 letters + 5 letters to a double barrel with extra 8 letters when I married. My choice. Then changed jobs to a company with 16 letters in its name +.co.uk

Fucking nightmare. Think about their professional life after school. Usernames and logins! Argh!!!

BiglyBadgers · 19/02/2019 14:28

I just wanted to say that I in no way view having my surname as a middle name for dd as 'dropping my name'. She still has my name. It is on her birth certificate and that's not going to change. In fact should she ever decided to go all traditional and change her name upon marriage it is DH's name that will be dropped and she will still have mine. So in many ways my name as a middle name is a far more permanent fixture in her life than DH's as a surname might be.

Basically what I'm saying is I don't view a middle name as the lesser option.

SoupDragon · 19/02/2019 14:19

I think is too many and will be a pain in the arse for form filling etc.
Picking one each and having the third as a middle name is a good compromise I think.

disneyspendingmoney · 19/02/2019 14:17

Really don't, I have seven seperate words in my non English surname and it's hell. The UK banking system can't cope with unusual acented letters, there isn't enough space on debit or credit cards. paperwork becomes a nightmare, setting up work email accounts is aweful and talking to call centers is unbelievably difficult.

Simplify your DC's life in this increasingly complicated world

TooManySurnames · 19/02/2019 14:08

I imagine that as more woman decide to keep their own names on marriage and double barrel their children's names as a fair solution, this'll be a common dilemma for the next generation! I think that if my name were also double barrelled it'd be less of an issue and then we'd both give up a part and it'd still be "fair", whereas currently I get to give my whole name whereas he has to give up half of his. To add further insult to injury my name was given to me after my father's name, and I have a fairly strained relationship with my father, whereas my partner has a great relationship with both his parents, so I think he feels like he's having to lose the name of one of his "good" parent to include the name of my "bad" parent. We've talked about how by including "Austen" we aren't giving the children my dads name, we are giving them my name which also happens to be my dads name (and, may I add, my mums name, who is a fantastic parent) but I guess it still has that baggage attached to it. Not helped by years of me complaining about my dad. Anyway, those are the background emotional factors as far as I can tell.

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Skirmisher · 19/02/2019 14:07

There's no way that I'll consider using my name as the middle name - 2 name places, 2 parents, we each get 1. Dropping the name of an actual parent to avoid dropping the name of a grandparent is a bit crazy.

TooManySurnames · 19/02/2019 13:57

Thanks for all the replies everyone. Not as much hatred for the 3 names idea as I thought there'd be, but still the majority seem to agree with me that it's too much. I especially agree with the points about what assumptions would be made on hearing the name, as we are most certainly not upper class or anywhere close! I'm afraid it'll make us (and the children) look affected and ridiculous, as well as being a practical PITA.

My partner has Portuguese heritage on his mothers side, and his surname is made up of Mothersname-fathersname, so Peters-Austen would be fathersname-myname, with his mothers name as a middle name. I only thought of doing it this way round to preserve the current order, not as a slight to his mother (who I love). Personally I'd prefer Gonzalez-Austen as the Portuguese part is very nice sounding imo. There's no way that I'll consider using my name as the middle name - 2 name places, 2 parents, we each get 1. Dropping the name of an actual parent to avoid dropping the name of a grandparent is a bit crazy. And yes to those who have asked "where does it end"? Will our children in 30 years time be saying "No, my surname name is "Gonzalez-Peters Austen" not "Gonzalez"+"Peters"+"Austen", so I can't possible choose part of it to drop". I like to think that in that situation I'd give them my blessing to drop part of it, even if it was my part of it, rather than end up with grandchildren with quintuple barrelled names or whatever. Anyway, I'll show this thread to my partner later so he can see that it's not just me who thinks 3 is too many, and hopefully we can reach a resolution over it.

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