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It's a boy! Name choice thoughts?

109 replies

CollyWombles · 06/01/2019 21:12

We both like Cain for a first name, Douglas for a middle name after DH dad and surname begins with M.

Cain Douglas M.

Thoughts?

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michonn · 08/01/2019 08:28

Lol it's 2019, it'll only be the parents of your sons friends that might judge your name choice, if anyone would judge infact!

Cain is a lovely name & is actually one that I'm considering for my expected son, just with a different spelling.

If you like it- don't let people put you off.

Ps- I've also been criticised for my choice of baby names as it doesn't match my first sons name which is also biblical (we didn't chose because it was biblical and had purposely changed spelling)

Anyway, it's a really strong name!

CollyWombles · 08/01/2019 08:17

*least

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CollyWombles · 08/01/2019 08:17

If I was mythical Cain and knew I would one day be lumped with the likes of Adolf, I would probably not have just murdered one person. I would have probably gathered up all the meat eating people and killed them too. That would at lead justify being put in hitlers league.

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CollyWombles · 08/01/2019 08:12

DH is South African and was given 'the cane' now and again. In fact once the teacher that was caning him was quite pleased because he had also caned DH Father. True story.

I like Douglas a first name, DH however did not and that was before we thought about a four letter name in keeping with his family. This is DH first child, my other 4Dc are to my ex husband so ultimately i feel it's only fair he gets to make the final call.

He quite likes Kade.

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golddustwomen · 08/01/2019 08:07

I love it! I don't know the bible story so it never crossed my mind when I read your op. Have never read the bible, no one in my family is religious.

RedDwarves · 08/01/2019 08:05

Also, Cain's equivalent is not Amelia, it's more like Adolf or Myra.

Amelia has been eternally popular and is a classic name. See also Rose, Theodore, Peter, Fred etc.

Cain does not fit into that group of names. It has never been popular for a reason and is not a classic, despite its biblical history. If you want some other equivalents, you can start with Jezebel.

HeronLanyon · 08/01/2019 08:00

Op you definitely can ‘win’ and your little boy will no doubt end up with a great name which suits him. Good start wouldnjust be to accept some names have strong connotations which he will have to live with if you choose them. The choice is yours. The name will be his. There are more names without such strong connotations than with. How unlucky your top likes are ‘unfortunate’ names.
Good luck and congratulations.

RedDwarves · 08/01/2019 08:00

I really don't like Cain, sorry. Awful Biblical story, which will be many peoples' first though.

Plus it reminds me of "the cane" i.e. the punishment.

I like Douglas though.

KlutzyDraconequus · 08/01/2019 07:58

just about every name can have negative cpnnections of you look hard enough. just about every name could be connexted to a character too.

how.many harrys are there r ight now? are they all nam ed after Potter?
how about Teds? Charles? so on and so forth.

id not think twice if i met a child called Cain, hell, even Cain wasmt actually called Cain. cain is the English translation, Qayin and Havel were their actual names.

CurtainsOpen · 08/01/2019 07:41

Like "Cain"... OR ELSE!

CollyWombles · 08/01/2019 07:38

Oh Ex H and DH both said no. The (fictional) little boy possessed by the devil in the Omen film is called Damien! Can't win!

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Fozzleyplum · 08/01/2019 07:37

OP, if you are set on Cain, then there was little point asking for opinions.

We can trawl through history and find positive and negative associations for any name - Peter being a good example. However, some more unusual names have an unshakeable association for many people. I am sure there have been some perfectly lovely Myras and Adolfs, but those aren't the ones who are evoked when we hear those names. For me ( and I'm not particularly religious) and others, Cain clearly has similar connotations.

cananybodyfindmesomeonetolove · 08/01/2019 07:34

Cross posted.

Damien is much nicer, what about that?!

cananybodyfindmesomeonetolove · 08/01/2019 07:32

OP, I know you weren't actually considering Adolf.
You have chosen a name that is synonymous with murder - everyone has pointed that out to you, and you are saying it doesn't matter to you because you're not religious. But whether you're religious or not does not change the fact that for most other people (most of who are also not religious) this is the first thing that comes to mind when they hear that name. Life is challenging enough without being burdened with a name with those connotations.

CollyWombles · 08/01/2019 07:26

Adolf was never an consideration. For a start, it's five letters.

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CollyWombles · 08/01/2019 07:23

No, I am less keen than I was to begin with at the start of the thread. I do have a habit of thinking I know it all and would continue debating until he arrived and was named because I firmly believe its a non issue, however that doesn't mean my unborn son might feel the same way. He may choose to become a Christian one day, believe it or not there was a time when I was very interested in Christianity.

I am considering the name Cade now too, Scottish roots meaning from the wetlands. Only one letter difference and so far the only other four letter boy name I like. I will add Cain to the list of boys names I would love but wouldnt be selfish enough to use on my child such as Damien (love that name)

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cananybodyfindmesomeonetolove · 08/01/2019 07:19

this thread Grin

OP, "I want to name my child Adolf"

Helpful posters, "....hmm, that has some negative associations"

OP, "I'm not a historian, and I don't care about that stuff, so that's ridiculous bringing it up",

Bemused posters, "hmm, well you asked for opinions on the name?"

OP, "well I like it, so what does it matter what you all think anyway, fools!"

tammytoby · 08/01/2019 07:08

Sounds like you've made up your mind then?

CollyWombles · 08/01/2019 06:57

The point about amelia dyer is that she was most definitely a real person that no one can deny. Her crimes are a fact. Cain in the bible is a story with no evidence of being real.

I already have 4dc yet none of them have said, wait mum, you can't call the baby Cain, he was a murderer in the bible! The people I have told in person have not said, wait CollyWombles, didn't you know, Cain was a murderer in the bible!

This is because regardless of buildings dedicated to christianity, books in hotel rooms and the story 'supposedly' being taught in public non Catholic schools, it is a non issue.

Now I have no doubt my DC would have reacted differently should I have said I am considering the name Adolf. And just about every single person on and off the Web. Being actually taught in schools and without whole buildings being dedicated to him, or books in hotel rooms. There is a world of difference between the name of Cain and that of Adolf. Mythical Cain killed a person. Factual Adolf killed millions of people. Not exactly a good example there.

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HeronLanyon · 08/01/2019 04:00

Fenella - * Most of children named Amelia’s contemporaries aren’t taught the story of Amelia Dyer. There isn’t a book about Amelia Dyer in hotel rooms, or given out at schools. There aren’t entire buildings dedicated to the telling of stories that feature Amelia

This made me roar with laughter. I agree with everything you have said.

GinIsIn · 08/01/2019 03:51

For someone who clearly thinks they know everything, your arguments are very poorly reasoned. Most of children named Amelia’s contemporaries aren’t taught the story of Amelia Dyer. There isn’t a book about Amelia Dyer in hotel rooms, or given out at schools. There aren’t entire buildings dedicated to the telling of stories that feature Amelia Dyer. The story of Cain and Abel has a far greater reach than Amelia Dyer so of course it’s more likely people would make the association.

Secondly, to your point about not caring as you aren’t a Christian. Good for you. I’m not either but it was still the first association I made. Your argument that it doesn’t matter if you aren’t Christian would surely only apply if everyone meeting your son was also not Christian. Otherwise you can’t guarantee that the murderer won’t be the first thing people would think of. I’m not German, but I wouldn’t name my child Adolf. Just because the most famous association of the name doesn’t apply to you directly doesn’t mean others won’t still apply that to the name.

Lastly, perhaps just don’t ask for advice if you don’t want it.

AgathaMisty · 08/01/2019 02:09

I don't get the whole 'naughty boy' name. It's stupid. A child isn't naughty because of its name.

I think you've misunderstood. 'Naughty boy name' doesn't mean that the child will automatically be naughty! But when we hear names we make judgements. If you don't, that's wonderful! However, many people will hear names like Tarquin or Henrietta and associate them with the upper-classes, whether that has a positive or negative connotation for them. A name like Cosmic River might make you think of a hippy family.

No one is saying OP's boy will be naughty! Just that the name Cain conjures up the image of a naughty boy in my mind (which OP doesn't mind anyway so all is well!)

CollyWombles · 07/01/2019 23:31

I don't want to 'split hairs' but my DH is not DS1's father. Actually a bold title stating I do not want your religious opinion might have been good!

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NOTthepinkranger · 07/01/2019 23:10

You might as well have put in your OP

DISCLAIMER I DON’T ACTUALLY WANT YOUR THOUGHTS

TatianaLarina · 07/01/2019 22:29

Splitting hairs over dislike/disinterest, proud of your Celtic history/randomly brought it up in a weird way makes no odds. Naming your son after a character you don’t care about but is famously unpleasant is peculiar nonetheless. But it’s your life.

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