Naughty boys names?

What I am not ok with is people hiding blatant class prejudice under coy discussion of ‘naughty boy names’
Saying all Xs are naughty is class prejudice.
Saying Xs show up more for behaviour issues in their experience isn't class prejudice.

Identifying a trend exists is not class prejudice. Deciding that all children must be naughty because of their name is.

Which is why I find the idea that I'm prejudiced against working class children ridiculous.

MaisyI don't know if you're basing your opinions on having worked in education but I can tell you there's a lot of little middle class shits!
Experience here too.
And as I've said many times on this thread there are some behaviour issues more prevalent in leafy middle class schools and some behaviour trends more common in schools in more deprived areas.

It was the fact I was accused of being prejudiced against working class kids for saying some correlations exist that prompted the big reply about life chances.

I'd equally say there's a correlation between leafy suburbs and likelihood for child to feel entitled to do zero work and then have home demand endless hours of intervention. You and I could probably both make a list of the sorts of names who are probably more likely to be known for being lazy/arrogant.
It doesn't mean everyone with that name is lazy or arrogant but it's a correlation observed in leafy schools.

Maisy, being from the bottom of the working class myself, with barely-literate parents and who got extra school funding on the frankly-named Deprived Children’s Scheme at my very rough school, I am all too aware of the relationship between poverty and poor educational outcomes. What I am not ok with is people hiding blatant class prejudice under coy discussion of ‘naughty boy names’.

Maisy I don't know if you're basing your opinions on having worked in education but I can tell you there's a lot of little middle class shits! Some mc parents bring their dcs up to be entitled and self centred (sorry but true). If I see a particularly pretentious name on a class list, I get a bit nervous. I don't want to give examples in case I identify myself!

If I'd had a boy, both the name i wanted (Jack) and the name my dh wanted (Daniel) are on the list someone posted of kids they work with in a behavioural unit. So they'd have had no chance.
I wonder whether my dds' names would be on a naughty girl name list!

Mrsfrumble I was on a babycentre board about 14 years ago and i remember someone saying they'd picked the name Maverick for their baby.

What a nasty thread.

In DS's class, Alexander, Leo, Benjamin, Jonas.

In DD's class, Freddie, Lawrie, Charlie, Thibault.

Maisy, Why not simply say you are prejudiced against working class children?
Umm... because I'm not.

I'm from a working class background. The sad reality is the outcomes of some kids I went to school with are different from some kids I've taught. That's life.

The fact is that social background does correlate to other factors.

It might be cool to be woke on mumsnet and claim (as some do on here) that there's no difference and the world is all equal and full of fairy dust and all children have the same life opportunities, but the sad reality is they don't.
There's countless studies on links between social deprivation and crime, social deprivation and health, social deprivation and educational outcomes, social deprivation and life expectancy. Why does pupil premium money exist? Why do some schools spend money on teams of mentors? Why do schools employ parental support workers? After all, there's no need.

There's some issues more prevalent in middle class schools. Some issues are more prevalent in areas of deprivation. That is life.

Naughty boys I have known.
Oscar,
Jayden,
Caleb,
Joseph,
Samuel,
Charlie,
Kieran,
kaiden,
tommy,
Lucas,
Sebastian,
Arthur
alex,
Nathaniel,
lance

I like Owen best. I knew a lovely lad named that once, ironically enough he'd been labelled as a naughty kid but really it was an undeserved reputation. He was scapegoated a lot by the other kids.

I'm not a fan of 'son' names unless they're accurate. So personally, I'd only use Harrison if the dad's name/nickname was Harry or Henry. But I appreciate that doesn't bother must people.

Maisy, Why not simply say you are prejudiced against working class children?

Ooooof, that'll do nicely, mrsfrumble!

I have a Harrison and love it 12 years later.

As long as you spell it correctly - no unique spelling like Harrisn, Harrrisin, Harrysun... then you'll be fine.

I like how we now have people denying there is any correlation between background and behaviour because it's the cool woke thing to do.

I've worked in a range of catchments. Each catchment has its typical issues and challenges in terms of behaviour. I would say there are trends of behaviour challenges in a leafy school and trends in a school from a more deprived area.

Obviously staying there's trends and correlations will offend the perpetually offended who are aghast at any such suggestions (probably because they'll chip in with silly rebukes like 'so you're saying everyone who is poor is naughty' having either misunderstood or selectively misunderstood how correlation works)

In my town you are more likely to have a criminal record in one area over another. You are more likely to have a higher life expectancy in another area. You are more likely to get good GCSEs in one area.
Should we pretend these correlations don't exist in case someone wants to get offended?

Just for LadyPamplemousse because your posts are making me laugh. Yes, this Harrison can definitely get away with being naughty

Is it wrong that I’m kind of heartened to see DS’s name mentioned a couple of times here? He’s actually a poppet at school, but can be rather “spirited” at home.

I once knew of a little boy called Maverick. We lived in the same neighbourhood, and at a busy event and I heard his name being called over the tannoy (twice!) because he’d escaped from his parents and done a runner. A self-fulfilling prophecy?

The naughtiest boys I ever taught way back...
Dale
Darren
Lee
Jason
Oh and worst of all....Simeon!

I’ve taught two absolutely delightful Lucases.

Definitely met more than my fair share of naughty Leons. It’s such a bloody cool name though!

All the other names are pretty neutral.

Lucas’s are always naughty ime and I see I’m not alone with that.

I’ve never met a ‘good’ Harry either. And of course steer clear of Kaiden/Jayden/Riley.

I'm a secondary school TA and I think lots of these names are regional more than socio-economic.

On saying that, I think all school staff could could come up with several examples of names that come up frequently and tend to be used by teenage parents, or those who were troublesome teenagers themselves - the sort of names that come up in popular teen culture rather than literature, academia or the Bible.

Michel I've never met a single English boy called Michel. Maybe you know a lot of French people?

Falling off my seat about nobody mentioning the name Jack yet! I actually did many posts and many hours ago..

At the dcs' comp it seems to be
Josh
Jaydon
Callum
Jake

I had my heart set on a particular boys name when pregnant with ds1, let's say Kevin. I was working in a secondary school at the time and one of the worst behaved boys was called Kevin. (It was a private school where rich kids could get away with murder.) I was still determined to name ds1 Kevin despite the image of that little shit until I read my leaving card where Kevin no 1 wrote 'Good luck Miss. PS please name the baby Kevin after me.' That completely me off the name! So we had to quickly come up with plan B!
Ps I named ds2 Kevin and he's an angel so there's nothing in a name really!

Work in youth offending. Classic naughty boy names are:
Tyler
Taylor
Reece/rhys
Cameron
Sean
Jayden
Kieran
Leon!!
Charlie
Samuel
Daniel
George
Blake
James
William

Those were the top ones to mind.
If you like a name though just use it, its up to the child whether they are naughty or not.

Any name that's a surname.