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British name or foreign (Italian) name for dual-nationality child abroad?

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LeeMiller · 25/05/2018 09:34

Hi all, we're just starting to think about naming our first child. I'm British and DH is Italian, we live in Italy and are planning to stay here. Our baby will have an Italian surname. I would like a middle name (although it's not common here and should probably be short as child will legally have to include it in signature etc, so it will be used more than middle names usually are in the UK). We want a British element to be included in the name somewhere. My name poses problems here (loads of middle names so too long for forms, it's not spelled phonetically, lots of Hs etc) so we'd try to avoid those by choosing familiar/classic British names that are easy for Italians to pronounce.

We have a rough shortlist of names, both British and Italian, but we can't decide how to combine them. Our choices are:

a) British first name and Italian middle name

b) Italian first name and British middle name
c) 'International' first name pronounced the same(ish) in both countries and British middle name

DH prefers an Italian first name as it's easier for the child, whereas I have a common English name and would have loved something foreign and unusual growing up, so favour a British first name.

I'm curious, people bringing up kids outside your home country, what option did you choose and how has it worked out? If you grew up with an obviously foreign-sounding name, did/do you like it?

(Our current shortlist includes James, Joseph, Jude, Max, Cosimo, Amadeo, Leonardo and Lucy, Rose, Rosamund, Rosalind, Charlotte, Eleonora, Clara, Alida, Livia and Lucia - particularly if you're Italian, what's your perception of those names? )

Sorry that was so long!

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CopONNotLinkedIn · 26/05/2018 12:24

I like the suggestion of Luisa

(works in Spain too)

CopONNotLinkedIn · 26/05/2018 12:21

I love Italian names! I'd like an Italian sur name and I don't think it is too strange to mix it with an English or French first name (for example) Each example has to be considered. No hard and fast rule.

Cosimo works but Lapo sounds short for a medical procedure to me. ''going in for a lapo tomorrow''

My friend dated a man called *Mike Piacentini. WE all swooned over his name.

catalinablue · 26/05/2018 12:17

From your shortlist I think that Max and Leonardo would be lovely for boys. For girls, I like Livia and Lucia from your list. Some other names that I think would likely sounds lovely in both Italian and English are Stella, Serena, Vanessa, Valentina, Caterina and Elisa for girls. As well as Christian/Cristian, Enrico, Emilio, Claudio, Stefan and Thomas for boys. :)

willisurvive3under2 · 26/05/2018 12:17

Livia is really beautiful. I'm Italian and there's nothing wrong with it at all.

Melassa · 26/05/2018 11:29

Rosita is the hen on the Mulino Bianco ads! I would avoid...

LeeMiller · 26/05/2018 10:31

Fridaseyebrows that is very good advice, how true that they tend to Italianise everything, something to bear in mind. I'm with you on pronunciation, my nephew has a 'dual' name with a different vowel sound in French and English and now only answers to the French version. DH has one of those names that sound female in English and got very fed up being called Miss and Madam when he lived in the UK so we'll definitely avoid that pitfall! If we lived in the UK then I'd go for Francesco/Francesca but we are tripping over them here!

It's hard for me to judge the regional aspect (or other connotations) but I have found a diffusione map on Nomix! I know DH (a proud Fiorentino) likes Tuscan names like Cosimo, Lapo, Michelangelo (too much for me!) but it's hard for me to judge perceptions elsewhere. I have liked Livia since I saw the garden frescos from Villa Livia in Rome, but I know there'd be a Montalbano association for many people, I actually like Salvo/Salvatore (sounds sunny and friendly to me) but DH laughed at that one!

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LeeMiller · 26/05/2018 10:12

Thanks for the suggestions Seamus, witches, IHeart. Bettina is pretty and Carlotta is growing on me, I wouldn't want it to be shortened to Carla though, as she was a mean girl at my school. It's so hard to shake off negative associations even if the name is objectively nice! Rosita and Bonita sound more like nicknames to me. I have always loved Viola (and Orsino!) since I studied 12th Night at school, but unfortunately it holds unpleasant associations for DH and his family.

Cafeaulait your daughter's name is lovely, but my nephew is Alexander.

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CafeAuLait7 · 25/05/2018 22:42

My daughters name is Alessandra Elise.

WitchesGlove · 25/05/2018 22:40

How about:

Christina
Sara
Carla
Tula
Chiara
Natalia
Margareta
Marcella

IHeartKingThistle · 25/05/2018 22:27

The English/Italian kids I know are Antonia and Carla.

fridaseyebrows · 25/05/2018 22:21

We are Irish / Italian and had the same dilemma - I insisted on common pronunciation in both languages for first names as I HATE the way our Italian family will always just ignore what the persons actual name is and just use the Italian version (so George becomes Giorgio Philip becomes Filippo Anne becomes Anna etc - we even had engraved gifts given to our children with the wrong spelling on it!) and to be fair my Irish family do the same (Marco becomes Mark!).

We are in the U.K. so easier to use common Italian names and they are still unusual - Francesco, Matteo, Luca my favourites for boys, Gaia, Chiara, Livia for girls. (Although Livia just makes me think of Montalbano!)

My impression is that in Italy they are generally less adventurous around names (especially boys) so there is a smaller pool of very common names used. Then there are names that are so local that it is immediately obvious where someone is from based on that name (Cosimo would be one, but also Gaetano, Gennaro, Nicola, Angela etc) personally I would also want to avoid that. Also names in Italian that are boys names but girls names in English (Andrea etc) also to be avoided! We also want d to avoid names that were just slightly different in each language as people would just be lazy and use the most familiar version (roberto vs Robert for example)

We have ended up with Italian first names and British / Irish second names and so far that has worked really well here. My DH really didn’t want to have second names for the bureaucratic reasons mentioned, but I won that argument!

educatingarti · 25/05/2018 22:04

What about Luisa? Spelled the Italian way, but pronounced the same ( ish) in both countries.

SeamusMacDubh · 25/05/2018 21:57

Carlotta? Not heard anyone with that for a while.

I've not heard of Clara being pronounced Claira.. I don't think I'd let it put me off.

More suggestions:

Diana
Teresa
Bonita
Bettina
Patricia
Ursula
Viola/Violeta
Rosita
Ramona/Mona

LeeMiller · 25/05/2018 21:42

Thanks bikerun and Isee, international names seem to be the consensus.

badpolicy it hadn't occurred to me that Clara might be pronounced Claira! Thanks for pointing that out...

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BadPolicy · 25/05/2018 21:35

Charlotte works well internationally, and Emma is very British, short and easy to write so might be good for a middle name.

I love Clara, but might avoid it because it's not said the same way everywhere in the UK (Clair-a vs clarah)

ISeeTheLight · 25/05/2018 21:31

I'm Western European, DP British, we live in the UK. I was adamant even before I was pregnant name needed to be pronounceable by both sides of the family. So DD has an international name (already mentioned above). She also has two middle names, one after DP's grandmother and one after my great-grandfather&mother.

There are lots of lovely names which work in Italy and UK. I'd say most Italian names work in the UK to be honest, you might struggle more with very British names. Agreed re Eleonora, it's stunning.

BikeRunSki · 25/05/2018 21:26

I know some Anglo-French sisters who live in Italy. When faced with a very similar situation, their parents named them Anna, Gabriella and Stella. Their brother is Marco.

LeeMiller · 25/05/2018 21:25

Thanks sakura. DH has rejected silvia/silvana due to associating them with Silvio and Berlusconi, but Elisa is very pretty.

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sakura06 · 25/05/2018 21:21

Another acquaintance is called Elisa, which is also beautiful. There are lots of beautiful Italian names.

sakura06 · 25/05/2018 21:20

My friend is called Silvana which works well in English. I think it's beautiful.

LeeMiller · 25/05/2018 20:50

Ida and Elena are close friends, Italians don't really pronounce H so Helena becomes Elena. I think Maria is a bit catholic for me. I do like Clara and also Rosa, but DH likes Rose more. Rosa is considered quite old ladyish where we are, I think.

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LoveInTokyo · 25/05/2018 20:35
Smile

I like all your name stuff btw but can’t comment on how they will be perceived in Italy.

Clara is my favourite from your list. I also like Anna and Rosa which you seem to have discounted. Have you thought about Maria, Ida or Helena? (Off the top of my head.)

LeeMiller · 25/05/2018 20:27

LoveinTokyo very reasonable indeed! DH said he will go with a British first name if I choose for those very reasons.

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LoveInTokyo · 25/05/2018 20:23

No, he is French. They will have his surname, we live in France and I have to give birth to them, so giving them British names doesn’t seem so unreasonable. Wink

LeeMiller · 25/05/2018 20:20

Thetimehascome I think my desire for a glamorous foreign name comes from 2 girls with Irish names at school, there are some gorgeous ones, and lots are relatively familiar to Brits.

LoveinTokyo is your DP British too? I definitely want at least a middle name that's recognisably British included in the name.

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