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Pronouncing baby's name wrong

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MrsLeighHalfpenny · 15/10/2017 07:58

Friend has had a baby girl - Anaïs.

Lovely name, but they pronounce it Annay, and not An-eye-ees.

I saw it written down before I heard them say it, and said “I love the name Anaïs” to the grandmother (also my friend). She told me that that’s not how it should be pronounced.

Should I explain what a diaeresis is for?

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Someonessnackbitch · 17/10/2017 17:32

Friends how close the friend is. All my friends are very close to me and that would be the first thing I'd have said and we would have had a giggle. But def not pronounced annay

DiegoMadonna · 17/10/2017 17:31

Honestly, it's none of your business. Harry pronounced Aero made my shortlist, and despite being aware it isn't the correct pronunciation, it wouldn't matter. It's my choice.

mamabeak · 17/10/2017 17:01

I used to struggle with a child I taught who was called Genevieve - even allowing for it not having a grave as in Geneviève as form childhood I had had the pronunciation of a family friend's name constantly reinforced as being [dzen vee eh]. It took me a while to get over seeing the name and remembering the pronunciation required also the variations of Maja, Mayh, Mya, Myah, Maya, Mia, Miah, Mayah, Majah, Meah.... And knowing - as a teaching in a number of. classes every week for an hour or two which name on the register was pronounced which way for which child.. When there were, in one class, 8 girls with a combination of spellings and pronunciations of the name some of which counterintuitive or same spelling/different pronunciation for different children, different spelling/same pronunciation.

NinonDeLenclos · 17/10/2017 16:52

All the netmums thread shows is the level of ignorance on there.

Anais pronounced annay made my shortlist, and despite being aware it isn't the correct French pronunciation it wouldn't matter. It's my choice

No, that's not how language works. Words aren't pronounced according to your choice. You can't just decided elephant is pronounced elevator.

Annay is not correct in English any more than it is in French. You can exercise your choice in calling your daughter what you like - but ffs spell it right.

HaHaHmm · 17/10/2017 16:47

But Catherine isn't analogous here. The English pronunciation is logical within the English language. A legitimate Anglicised pronunciation of Anaïs would be either ann-ayce for the spelling with no diaeresis, or something pretty close to the French for the spelling with it - viz. other adopted words with diaereses where its purpose is preserved, such as 'naïve.' (Quaintly, the New Yorker still uses a diaeresis on 'coöperation' and 'reëlect').

The 'annay' pronunciation, as has been mentioned several times, is based on a misunderstanding of French pronunciation, and is illogical in both languages unless the name is spelt with no diaeresis.

mamabeak · 17/10/2017 16:39

There is a Scottish/French name Annice (Scots sometimes Annis) which is a alternative version/variant to Agnes' conflated with Anne, as is the name Anaïs, itself, but in ProvençalCatalan.

The Welsh name Annest probably follows the same pattern.

I have heard the name Anaïs pronounced with less of a clearly articulated second a, but always the s is pronounced.

sashh · 17/10/2017 16:35

OMG are you going to correct all the parents who have given their child the French name Catherine? I'm sure the Middletons would like to be put right.

Then you can go on to Michelles, Alberts and Maries.

mamabeak · 17/10/2017 16:24

Though [zay vee err] is a correct English pronunciation of the name Xavier, as [sha vee er] is the Portuguese.
Annay is an over correction of Anaïs and incorrect in French, Englis, Spanish, Provençal and Catalan.

ForgivenessIsDivine · 17/10/2017 16:23

OK KatharinaRosalina, would you correct someone who called their child Deirdre and pronounced it Deirdree, which is quite wrong though not uncommon in England, and according to this NetMums thread, Annay is quite a common if wrong pronounciation of Anaïs.

www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/pregnancy-64/baby-names-643/1467601-how-would-you-pronounce-anais-all.html

Bonniesloth · 17/10/2017 16:16

Honestly, it's none of your business. Anais pronounced annay made my shortlist, and despite being aware it isn't the correct French pronunciation it wouldn't matter. It's my choice. I am English with a German name typically for men, which gets mispronounced all the time... it isn't a big deal, nor will this girl find it a big deal. All she will say is 'it's anais, pronounced annay, spelled ANAIS'
It won't ruin her life, Jesus Christ people.

mamabeak · 17/10/2017 16:15

IT may quite reasonably depend on the area of Ireland someone is from...... the /o/ sound of the first syllable is closer to an o or a neutral vowel anyway (the i modifies the s making that sh); b + h makes the /b/ aspirated in pronunciation (a lot of air and a bit of a buzz), so not quite a vee sound either as in standard English; the b and v sound are interchangeable or variants sound wise in some languages... As are /f/ and /v/; I am not sure if Irish Gaelic has a v as a separate sound/letter.

mamabeak · 17/10/2017 16:05

I think it was people who pronounce it Annay Annay as I remember getting angry about it as a francophone teen. Doubly wrong as the A of the second word would mean the first s was always pronounced with or without the diaresis.

mamabeak · 17/10/2017 16:03

I'd let it go or would say something like "that is the Provençal/Catalan for Agnes" (which it is, conflated with Anne) and add that usually it would have the vowels separated out and the s pronounced".

The perfume is An-ah-ees Ana-ah-ees but without the diaresis it would still me Anne-aze Annay because the ais is followed by a vowel.

In the hymn it is equally and traditionally written The First Nowell.

Cinnamoniboni · 17/10/2017 08:47

Just leave them to it, they’ll say this is our daughter Annay, they won’t proceed to spell it out. You’re being a bit mean if you ask me. Definitely don’t say anything to them.

KatharinaRosalie · 17/10/2017 08:37

No I wouldn't tell someone they are going to Paree. But I also wouldn't name my child Lorenzo and insist that it's pronounced Lawrence.

If you call your child Anaïs and want to pronounce it according to English rules, it would be Ah-nays or similar, no? Annay is a pronounciation people erroneously assume is the correct French way.

ForgivenessIsDivine · 17/10/2017 07:46

Would you correct someone who said they were going to Paris (English pronunciation) and tell them that they were in fact going to Paree?

Perfume advertising in the 1970's was not the same as it is today, much was poster and magazine rather than TV campaigns which goes in part to explain the fact that lots of people applied the French language rules of having the last letter silent incorrectly in this case and assumed the 'annay' pronunciation.

eyebrowsonfleek · 17/10/2017 07:08

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CheerfulYank · 17/10/2017 04:06

Someone find the Elle/Ellie thread and link it pleaseeeee

Weedsnseeds1 · 16/10/2017 23:31

My old neighbours called their kid Sian pronounced Sigh-anne too.
I thought it was a name I hadn't heard before until they spelled it out.

Housemum · 16/10/2017 23:15

Any Irish people around to comment on different pronunciations? I've always pronounced Siobhan as she-vaughan, but last week met a show-ban. Is that another Irish pronunciation or just another pronunciation altogether?

EnnieMcConville · 16/10/2017 22:53

My son is half french....he's a Xavier...pronounced Xza-vee-ai. But no, I get X-av-v-errrrr.....and Zav-ee-errr....I blame a lot of it on the X-Men movie and that damned professor X lol My son does try to correct people but I have come to accept that like my name which is also French, people will never get it right and its not a huge deal. My name is far far prettier said the French way but heigh-ho lol Life! ;)

eyebrowsonfleek · 16/10/2017 22:48

The strangest one that I’ve heard of is a person on here who chose Elle but wanted it pronounced Ellie.

TatianaLarina · 16/10/2017 22:41

😂

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