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Wrong pronunciation?

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MerlinsBeard87 · 09/09/2017 13:30

Our ds2 is due next month, we wanted to call him Caradoc. We aren't Welsh but we love the name, and would mainly call him Cary for short. Yesterday we met a Welsh lady who told us we are saying it wrong. We have been saying CAH- rah-dock with the emphasis at the start. She told us it should be cah-RADuk. I don't want to look like a fool that's appropriated a Welsh name and not bothering to say it right, but does it really matter if we prefer to say it our way? Can you tell me how you would say it please? Please don't criticise our choice of name as it's the only one we have loved from the start

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MikeUniformMike · 14/09/2017 19:20

Do what you want by all means. Poor little kid will get a lifetime of misspelling and mispronunciation.

Hiraeth17 · 14/09/2017 08:57

Hiya! I love Welsh names, lived there for ages and planning to move back soon.

Sian in Welsh is pronounced ShhAan, and we once met an English lady called Sian by her English parents who insisted it was pronounced See-Ann. Which everyone found ridiculous.

I would say, try and use the correct pronounciation OR at least make sure your son is aware of the correct/original/Welsh pron.

They will spend a lot of time correcting/explaining! But if you use a simpler, abbreviation then it won't be too bad.

I love your choice... it doesn't matter too much at the end of the day if you pronounce it in a different way - look at what Americans have done with tonnes of words! Language and pronounciation evolve.

I also had a former partner who loves Wales and named his daughter Serenna after 'star/seren' in Welsh. He made up that spelling himself.

Do what you want/feel xx

MrsTerryPratchett · 14/09/2017 02:17

DD's name's pronunciation was changed 4 days after her birth. My DDad and DH randomly decided they liked the French pronunciation more Hmm

I still see my midwife around and she still calls her the first version!

SoConfusedandUpset · 14/09/2017 02:12

Please, please don't call a boy this! He will not only be bullied his entire childhood but also be resound to a lifetime of "erm, could you spell that for me please?" "Oh sorry, we had you down as female! I do apologise"

Take it from someone who knows! It is the case with both my first & surname and it's a nightmare! Puts me off telling anyone my name and has resulted in me browsing Deed Poll websites to adopt my daughter's name as a marriage is way off!

Genuinely not being nasty, just giving you some foresight

CeriBerry · 14/09/2017 02:04

As a Welsh first language person I'd say if you're going to use a Welsh name then don't mangle the spelling and pronunciations. I'm not sure how you're pronouncing Cary but it's not a 'natural' nick name of the Welsh name Caradog (which is definitely a g ending not a c) at all!

DuggeeHugs · 12/09/2017 22:25

Meredith has been used as a girls name for at least 80 years afaik. It's generally referred to as suitable for either sex, although I'd assume the Welsh spelling is still used as a male only name? From the ONS data in England and Wales it looks like it is almost exclusively used for girls in the last 20 years. I guess it's just one of those names that has changed over time.

MikeUniformMike · 12/09/2017 21:53

Meredydd has the stress on the middle syllable and the 'dydd' rhymes with the English word "with". It's a boy's name.

I don't know why Meredith is pronounced MER-uh-dith or why it is used as a girl's name.

stevensupersquirrel · 12/09/2017 21:47

Is saying Meredith the English way frowned upon then, or is it an accepted form of the name?

MikeUniformMike · 12/09/2017 05:40

Iwan sounds a bit dated to me but here is how I would say it.

I like the I in English 'big'
wan as in English wan (rhymes with pan, ban. can)

Stress on the Iw part.

Ioan is better.

Frazzled2207 · 11/09/2017 20:28

Yes indeed Iwan is EE-wan not you-un as in the sheep.
And in welsh the letter a is always like the a in cat.

I nearly called my son Ioan- i'm welsh but live in England.
Pleased I didn't. Smashing name tho.

FizzyGreenWater · 11/09/2017 19:37

Think pp means eww as in just the ew sound, and ewe as in the same sound as 'you'. That makes sense to me. Iwan would never be You-ann, always Iwww- ann.

HanutaQueen · 11/09/2017 18:25

Where I come from, eww-an and ewe-an are pronounced exactly the same?

This is why I like the proper phonetic alphabet Grin

NotAgainYoda · 11/09/2017 17:12

... conversly, the name David would be pronounced DAVEED in Spanish. Should they not then, use that name?

NotAgainYoda · 11/09/2017 17:03

Dolwar

I think it happens a lot in England. For example, Angelique would be pronounced differently in France to how it would be pronounced in England

Dolwar · 11/09/2017 16:43

I have met several people recently who have given their kids welsh names with welsh spellings but insist on using an english (and wrong!) pronounciation.

For example, I met an Iwan. Should be pronounced ewww-an. They insist on calling him Ewe-an (like the sheep). Don't get why they didn't just spell it Ewan and avoid any confusion.

You can't just use a name from another language and pronounce it the english way. It looks daft and your poor kid will be the one suffering.

spiderlight · 11/09/2017 15:14

Yup, it's definitely Ca-RAD-oc or Ca-RAD-og.

MikeUniformMike · 10/09/2017 20:09

If you are using a Welsh name, make sure you spell and say it properly.
The name is Caradog. Pronounced Ka-RAD-og.
If you want to call your child Cary as in Cary Grant, call him Cary.

Liadain · 10/09/2017 17:22

Yes, if you're using a Welsh name I think use the proper pronunciation.

If you were thinking of using the Irish name Eoin and pronounced it Ee-oyn or something, you'd get all sort of Hmm reactions.

Cary is a nice name though, so why not just use that if pronouncing Caradoc will be a problem?

FizzyGreenWater · 10/09/2017 16:34

I know a couple of Careys and they are female!

autumnkate · 10/09/2017 15:03

OP, I think you might be over complicating this. If you're not Welsh and it doesn't sound the way you thought it did, then why use it?

Isn't Cary going to be much easier? Although if you want it pronounced as in Castle Cary, you should probably spell it Carey.

Sophronia · 10/09/2017 11:47

I'd just use Cary, much nicer and avoids all the pronunciation problems.

DuggeeHugs · 10/09/2017 10:55

Also with Meredith, I always thought the Welsh version is a male name, whilst the US/English version is a female name, so a difference in pronunciation isn't unexpected?

LinoleumBlownapart · 10/09/2017 10:54

I prefer the Welsh way on this one, much nicer than CAR a doc. I would change it.
My son has a foreign name from his father's country. Very few English people say it properly but it's close enough that he doesn't need to correct them. The language you speak is going to alter the way they say names, even names like Mary and Bob. But if you have the chance to use it correctly yourselves, I would.

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 10/09/2017 10:44

yodas link is really useful.
That recording doesn't so much put emphasis on last syllable, more DOESN'T emphasise the first one.
Re nn Cary.
Would this be like Cary Grant (carry) as I thought Cary in Somerset was said Care-y

PS love the name Caradoc.
Sounds noble and strong

Jooni · 10/09/2017 10:34

I think most people in England would pronounce it like you, so it might actually be more of a ball-ache (for you and him) to give him the technically correct Welsh pronunciation. Meredith above is a great analogy, and I think it's considered perfectly acceptable to pronounce that the "English" way. So I'd go for the pronunciation you like if I were you.

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