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how to name a child graceful in english

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shuangnick · 12/06/2017 08:15

I live in China and my boy has been 2years old and it's time for him to have an English name now, a real English name which doesn't look like be given by chinese such as Jack, Peter. his chinese name is Reipeng which pronounced closely as Ray Pun in english, I'd like to name him a little bit similar to his chinese name in pronunciation, or maybe something else meaningful. would u give me any advice? thx a lot.

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shuangnick · 14/06/2017 08:30

Well what a lovely bunch of comments to wake up to! Thanks all! All your kind comments, jokes and stories. I think I can choose a name for my kid now, and maybe someday in the future you'll meet him occasionally in England and surprisingly find that his name is given by you from very beginning.

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Shadow666 · 14/06/2017 05:10

I think it would be easier if you think of a few names that you like and post them here and people will tell you if they like them or not. Perhaps Google boy's names that mean Grace and start there.

Or have a look at this list of popular british names.

www.mumsnet.com/baby-names/most-popular-baby-names-england-wales

shuangnick · 14/06/2017 04:39

StarCrossdSkys you are so kind to give the tender explanation for why Chinese Business operate on an English name. As I considered for 2 reasons.

1.in a foreign enterprise or company runs multinational business , an English name makes them easier to get along with colleagues/customers/merchandisers from all over the world.

2.in a local enterprise, even if no foreigner or multinational business involved, but they still insist on using English name, that's most probably because of they think it's fashionable to have an English name, for sometimes it seems higher up the social scale than they really are.GrinGrinGrin

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shuangnick · 13/06/2017 10:01

steppemum it's a pleasure u shared a lot of cultural difference and similarity to me. and I've learned a lot of addressing being used in ur daily life. it's surprisingly analogous in some situation that we address an old man as Mr.X, or grandpa/grannny X is ok, too. We usually call somebody Teacher X when we need to turn to help, or when we are initiated into a new situation while others in the situation seems to be more advanced than us. And of course we call the colleagues in other department as "Manager X" as courtesy. for someone with our age that we meet occasionally, we call him handsomeguy/elder brother or call her beauty/little sister.But all these title will be neglected when using English name, we call JackMa instead of President/Boss Ma(MaYun).It's funny to get a further study in name and address from different culture. And I also like the word Rei you suggested to name my boy,it sounds good and also preserve chinese flavor. l love it so much~

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Untangled07 · 13/06/2017 04:33

Ray or Raymond is good - classic but not one of those faddy popular names.

Or there's Grayson (nickname 'Gray'), which almost rhymes with Reipeng.

SwearySwearyQuiteContrary · 13/06/2017 04:14

Rafe is nice and might sound less dated than Ray.

BigYellowJumper · 13/06/2017 04:09

steppemum

Sorry to correct you a little!

The honorofic in Korean comes after the name not before eg 'JohnOppa' not 'OppaJohn' (oppa is big brother.)

In Korea, if someone is younger than you, you don't need to add any kind of honorific title. Just the name is fine, unless they are a total stranger, or if you have a fairly distant relationship, or at work, in which case you should add 'ssi'. Honorifics are for people older or higher in rank than you, there's no honorific like 'friend' or 'little sister', you just refer to such people by name.

There was really no reason why your colleagues couldn't have just asked you to use 'ssi' after their name, or to have used their job title, which is the common way to refer to people at work eg 'team leader' or 'director' or 'teacher' or whatever.

I don't think the Koreans using English names thing necessarily has anything to do with the use of honorifics. Sometimes it is used to get away from the rigid hierarchy of Korea when they're working with westerners - some Korean companies even use English names to avoid feeling like they can't make suggestions to those higher than them because the use of honorifics places barriers between you.

But the biggest part of it, in my opinion, is that they feel westerners can't learn their names, or if they do, they can't pronounce them properly. In my opinion, the first part is a real shame, because there is no reason not to learn Korean names - they are generally two syllables and have roughly the same phonemes as English. It's wuite easy to learn them, especially once you get used to common names like 'min' or 'woo'. As for feeling non-Koreans can't pronounce them - a lot have of Koreans have said this to me, but I don't get the problem, because it's not like the British can pronounce European names exactly correctly.

I think there is a degree of shame Koreans feel around their country too, as well as feeling that America is 'cooler' and that it is 'cool' to have an English name. I have noticed a trend with some younger Koreans keeping their names, so I hope this will contine.

Anyway, sorry to correct you...

barefootinkitchen · 13/06/2017 03:22

We have a lot of Chinese people in Auckland,New Zealand and sic I've come across a lot of people with English names. There was an experiment done here where CVs with an English First name and Chinese family name were much more likely to get asked to job interviews. ( I think similar has been done in other countries)

shuangnick · 13/06/2017 03:01

mollyhuacha I appreciate for ur attentive advice, so many MNers here suggested for Ray and u give me a pretty nice reason. I love these portray so much!

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Lemondrop99 · 12/06/2017 19:40

I worked in China and some of the staff there chose the best English names! I knew two guys when went by Rainbow and Rocky Grin. Basically I think you can pick anything you want, but if you want it to relate to his Chinese name, Ray is probably your best bet (unless you're adventurous and fancy Razor!)

29Palms · 12/06/2017 12:14

Ray is perfect.

MiaZadora · 12/06/2017 11:52

Ryan works imo. Sounds like a young person's name.

MrsWooster · 12/06/2017 11:30

Rei, pronounced ray, is lovely; fits in with the current slightly retro fashion of Frank, Alf et al and has the undoubted benefit of being his actual name!

Sugarpiehoneyeye · 12/06/2017 11:21

❤️ Raymond (Ray).

Decaffstilltastesweird · 12/06/2017 10:52

Yes, it's maybe a bit of a specific meaning isn't it?

Well the red part is a nice meaning for anyone anyway! I'm sure Rufus Wainwright is a brunette.

RoseVase2010 · 12/06/2017 10:50

Ralph. Pronounced Rafe.

ErrolTheDragon · 12/06/2017 10:45

Rufus = Red (red-haired)

ConfusedGrinnice meaning if the boy is a redhead ... which seems unlikely.

Decaffstilltastesweird · 12/06/2017 10:40

I'd also go with Rei or Ray as a shortened version of Reipeng.

Other names with nice meanings:

Rufus = Red (red-haired)
Maximus (Max) = Greatest
Alexander (Alex / Alec / Sandy / Xander) = defender of mankind
Aaron = mountain of strength

missmoohoo · 12/06/2017 10:16

Call him "grace" lots of male grace about.

StarCrossdSkys · 12/06/2017 10:12

As said above it is very unusual in China to use a person's actual given name when talking to them. An honorific based on status would be used instead, or a diminutive for children. So if a person is going to speak English or operate in the English speaking world it is far more appropriate to choose an English name. Also the meaning of Chinese names is very important, and the meaning is conveyed by the character rather than the sound. This is completely lost when transliterated into English.

I believe most modern businesses in China operate on an English Name only basis for 2 main reasons. 1, it's so difficult to know the status and therefore correct address of everyone in the company and other companies that you may be working with, and 2, Chinese names do not work on email addresses.

FloralTribute · 12/06/2017 10:02

'Quinlan' certainly doesn't mean 'graceful'!

Sophronia · 12/06/2017 09:56

Ray or Ryan

ErrolTheDragon · 12/06/2017 09:41

So if he travelled to UK, he would call himself Reipeng, and that is what we would call him

Unless his preference was to be known by his English name - it would be entirely his choice.

LorLorr2 · 12/06/2017 09:37

shuangnick that comment made me laugh too! Hope you find a name that you find suitable.

PhuntSox · 12/06/2017 09:34

Redmund

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