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Welsh name for daughter - looking for opinions from Welsh speakers?

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MadsZero · 27/09/2016 16:21

Hi all,

I'm a welsh-speaker and I'm really lucky that my husband has agreed we can give our daughter a welsh name. But because he doesn't speak welsh, I didn't consider that what he thinks sounds nice and what I think sounds nice are very different! We have finally agreed on a name that we both really like - Aeron. But there's something that's worrying me a little.

It's a unisex name that's also pretty unusual. I live where there aren't so many welsh-speakers (Newport) and the only close friends I have who speak welsh haven't heard the name used at all. I have, once or twice, but only for boys. To be honest, giving my daughter a name that's more common on boys doesn't bother me in the slightest - there are quite a few unisex welsh names that skew one direction or the other. What does worry me is that people will think I made a mistake, rather than a conscious decision. Like that I picked a name from an inaccurate internet list without knowing what it meant, rather than thinking about it pretty carefully.

Aeron is the name of a river (which is a common source of given names in welsh), which apparently got its name from a long-forgotten battle god who had male and female aspects. It's also, coincidentally, the welsh word for "berries" which is a feminine noun, and names from the natural world are a very common source for girls names in welsh. It's listed as a unisex name in the baby name book I got from a welsh language press compiled by a respected welsh academic. So like...I think on logic it makes sense as a girl's name. Plus I like it a lot and haven't found another name I'm happy with.

But I wanted to know, from other welsh speakers, if you met a girl named Aeron, would you shrug and go, "Oh, okay, fair enough..." (like Teifi or Eirian) or would it be as weird as a little girl named Aled or Dylan or Iestyn?

Am very happy to continue the conversation in welsh or english! Hapus i barhau'r sgwrs yng nhymraeg neu'n saesneg!

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TheSunnySide · 28/09/2016 17:12

Tricky. I love the name Aneurin but know that people would pronounce it incorrectly as Ah-nigh-ron so however much I told people it was Ah-Neigh-rin any child would be stuck with people pronouncing it one way in school and me pronouncing it the other way at home.

On the other hand I know lots of children called Ah-nigh-rin and I respect them enough to say it the way they want it said so i would expect people to at least attempt Aeron (AY-ron) instead of Arron.

CottonSock · 28/09/2016 17:06

Not heard the name before but a family member teaches in Newport and would say unusual names are the norm

callycat1 · 28/09/2016 17:01

Sounds like you have made up your mind

MadsZero · 28/09/2016 16:56

(apologies - cat stepped on the enter button!)

Ham - thanks, I appreciate your opinion on how gendered the name is. In general though, I'm pretty confident that I know the pros and cons of giving her a welsh name - I know what it's like here. ;)

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MadsZero · 28/09/2016 16:54

*H

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Alisvolatpropiis · 28/09/2016 14:39

I know an Aeron, male.

Is the only one I have ever known though.

HamSandwichKiller · 28/09/2016 13:37

Welsh speaker who can't be bothered to deal with autocorrect. Aeron is a boy's name in any given Welsh speaking area so it makes you look silly. In Neport Welsh speakers are so thin on the ground you'll end up looking silly because you misspelled Aaron. Don't do it to your kid, it's pointless hassle. I say this as someone who wanted to call DS Dyfi but rejected it for the hassle it would cause him.

MadsZero · 28/09/2016 13:20

Diolch yn fawr iawn i ti! Gwych i weld gymaint o Gymry Cymraeg 'ma - d'on ni ddim 'di disgwyl gweld hanner gymaint!

I do think you're right about people mispronouncing her name, but part of me feels that'll happen regardless. I know a few people whose parents really tried to give them names that were easily pronounced without knowing welsh and they still ended up correcting people all the time. Which makes sense, I mean, these are unfamiliar sounds, but also, I dunno. I think if I planned an "easier" name to pronounce, it might not actually work out that way anyway...? Like I have to just make my peace with passing that on to her or not.

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BenguinsMummy · 28/09/2016 13:09

*literal

Damn autocorrect...

BenguinsMummy · 28/09/2016 13:07

Cerys-Rhianne,

It's liberal translation is loving goddess

absolutelynotfabulous · 28/09/2016 13:05

Ydw, dwi'n siarad iaith y nefoedd, madsGrin.

I don't think the name is strongly gendered, as such. Maybe it's too similar to Aaron, which is a male name. And yes, there are female names such as Manon, Ffion, etc which end in -on but they are well-established names with many girls bearing them.

I don't think Welsh names are a problem as such either. I think it's just some of the sounds that may cause a problem, especially amongst English speakers. The "ae" sound is likely to be unfamiliar, and whilst it is so common as to be ordinary to Welsh speakers, I think there may be some interesting experiments amongst Aeron's non Welsh-speaking associates. I think it may end up as "air-Ron" as in aeroplane. I think this happens quite often with Welsh names where there is no direct English equivalent sound. Dd grew up in England with a Sioned. It was hard to get people to understand the "si" sound. And the syllable placement was always different. She was usually "sy-on-EDD.

Anyway, I'm beginning to like Aeron. Smile.

MadsZero · 28/09/2016 12:19

absolutelynotfabulous - may I ask whether you speak welsh? I appreciate your opinion regardless (good to know reactions of both welsh and english speakers), but it does make some difference to me as there are some differences in naming conventions between welsh and english that mean there are some names that are much more strongly gendered than others.

(Just for extra info, I'm not that eager to give her a super feminine name, to be honest. I kind of like unisex names as an idea. Plus while there are tons of other welsh names I like, the problem is my husband - apparently we have very different tastes!)

Also, lolimax and mamapants, I agree. Respect to anyone who likes the name, but Seren is everywhere and not one of my favourites to start with...

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AdaLovelacesCat · 28/09/2016 10:56

Manon is lovely and so is Angharad.

Katkin14 · 28/09/2016 10:46

Ah, forgot about Ffion and Manon and Rhiannon and probably quite a few more. Doh!

alltouchedout · 28/09/2016 08:38

I'd just think "ooh cool name". My mum is Welsh though, I went to uni there and have good friends whose first language is Welsh so despite not speaking it myself the language is something I'm used to hearing, the cadence and names and so on are not unusual for me. In any case what matters is whether you like the name and not whether some stranger ever makes an ignorant and incorrect assumption!

spacefrog35 · 28/09/2016 08:34

I have a welsh name that skews to the male (or so I'm led to believe). But I've never had any negative comments, although I didn't grow up in Wales so I guess most people have just never heard of it!

Groundhogday2016 · 28/09/2016 08:32

I am Welsh, not Welsh speaking. Don't like it at all sorry. I have a friend with a similar name and even Welsh people can't say it and people who have known her years all pronounce it differently. When she meets new people she often uses her middle name as it's just easier.

mamapants · 28/09/2016 08:27

Ha ha lolimax I thought I was the only one sick of the name Seren, it's mentioned on every Welsh names thread and I've never been keen.

absolutelynotfabulous · 28/09/2016 08:11

I've never heard of it as a name, and whilst it's pretty, I'd also assume it's a boy"s name. I don't know why -it just sounds like a boy's name to me! Maybe it's the -on.

I suppose it depends on the environment little Aeron grows up in. If she mixes mainly with English speakers, she'll be constantly correcting people. If she goes to a Welsh school and mixes with mainly Welsh speakers, she may well get "why have you got a boy's name"?.

She may well end up with a diminutive like Roni or (horrors!) Arry or something.....

There must be thousands of Welsh names out there which are easier on the tongue, and more obviously feminine.

Lolimax · 27/09/2016 22:07

Hi op. 12 miles north of you and only GCSE Welsh but lots of time spent in Pembs. I only know it as a boys name but really like it as a girls name and think it's pretty. Makes a lovely change from Seren (sorry!).

MalbecAndLindt · 27/09/2016 22:00

I'm a non- Welsh speaker but DP is. Asked him and he assumed boy, as did I.

I quite like the name itself. Just passed it by him but he doesn't like it. Shame really as we have family connections to Aberaeron, so could have been a contender for #2 (I'm expecting #1 who will be Rhys or maybe Ffion)

MadsZero · 27/09/2016 21:56

It's an interesting point though. I know that "yn" is usually a male ending for words/names (Glyn, Carwyn) while "en" usually means it's female (Elen, Seren). But I think "on" and "an" are pretty neutral (like Megan is a girls name but Deian is for boys? Or Ffion for girls and Llion for boys?)

Also just to thank everyone for their continued contributions to the discussion!

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mamapants · 27/09/2016 21:44

Just realised Dion isn't a Welsh name, always thought it was.

But plenty of others too Rhiannon and Non for instance. Anyway I'm totally off point now

slightlyglitterbrained · 27/09/2016 21:43

Also Ffion, Rhiannon.

mamapants · 27/09/2016 21:39

And Ffion, Dion is unisex.
Sometimes it's true Rhian/Rhion