In Scotland Wales and Ireland (UK bit)

By which I mean struggle to master the accent, not struggle if they already have it

Going back to the origins of the various dialects and, I suppose by default, accents there is an interesting article on BBC today about how even great actors struggle with a N Ireland accent here

Luna

Apparently it's been going since 2005 and they are fined every year for it by the Spanish police.

Load of louts that aren't wanted in Ireland or Scotland is what they are. Wannabe hard men ffs 🙄

FFS.

Benidorm is not the sort of place i'd EVER consider for a holiday, and this has just confirmed it.

I suppose the one positive you can take from it is that there are fewer bigots in Scotland/N Ireland if some of htem have pissed off to Benidorm.

LunaLoveg00d

It's official all right

unfortunately

To be fair, that Benidorm thing doesn't look like any Orange Walk I've ever seen. I'd put a fair amount of money on it not being official, and it being some idiots who have taken their flutes and bigotry on holiday with them.

You do have to question the mentality though of someone who packs a Red Hand flag and a flute for a fortnight in SPain though.

Orange March in Benidorm???

treaclesoda

Most people, especially those in NI, chose to ignore the fact that unionist does not mean OO and OO does not automatically mean unionist. Most of the unionists I know are actually embarrassed by the antics in and around the 12th.

Tissue sad really because if the bigots from both sides were eliminated then there would be no conflict

I'm from a N Ireland unionist background (although thankfully my father was never in the Orange or anything like that) and even I find it all a bit intimidating.

Frazer not farmer 😮

treaclesoda

Seeing as it's their excuse in ardoyne I thought I'd throw it in there......

I'd better stop though or well have framer signing up to mumsnet to 'teach' us some kultur while going red in the face from all the screaming at us heathens 😃😂

at traditional route.

Ah yes! I seem to remember reading that King Billy was a big fan of the five euro all you can eat Gut Buster breakfast!

squoosh

Apparently it's a traditional route

King Billy must have went on a lads holiday before going into battle at the Boyne 😂

Oh God, they've brought their knuckle dragging to Benidorm. And I thought Benidorm couldn't sink any lower.

LunaLoveg00d

It's not only ni or Scotland to be brutally honest.

I walked past an Orange march in Glasgow last week. Ugh.

It annoys me so very much that these people have multiple marches throughout the year, that roads have to be closed for them, and most of all that it's facilitated by Glasgow City Council. No place for it in this day and age. None whatsoever.

They (not all of them) use the 12th of July as a "bigotfest" to impose their hatred on the Catholic (and therefore for them) Nationalist community.

Unfortunately their Bigotfest (love that expression) is not confined to Northern Ireland. We have our fair share of bigots from both sides of the community in Scotland too. Anyone who's ever seen a Rangers/Celtic match will have seen the Red Hand of Ulster flags and the Irish tricolours. We have orange marches too. It's awful, divisive and should be banned.

Can someone please explain what a " non specific origin name " is ?

Surely all names come from somewhere?

Oris this like the people who say " there's this woman in our street with an accent " when they actually mean " a diffenet accent from me " ?

So "non specific origin name " means "names from my own family / street / office " and anything else is weird .

Jazz WRT the decline in the Welsh language, it was because when the Education system was introduced in the mid 19th century it was all through English, and children were punished for speaking Welsh.

Google "Welsh Not" to see the history.

Imagine being only able to speak English but being sent to school where lessons were all in French? And if you spoke to any of your classmates, who also only understood English, in English you were given the cane? being told repeatedly that English was a "backward" language and punished for using it, when that was the only language that your family spoke.

Substitute Welsh for English and English for French and you have the situation in Wales 100-150 years ago

Jazz we/she speaks mainly English, but she she learned Irish at school in the east (Wicklow) and never learned that sound in Irish, when she sees the "Caoi" letters in Irish she hears Kee, I hear/read Kwee. Queeva feels wrong for her to say, no matter how many times we say it's like Queen!

He was the first and last Catholic Lord Lieutenant

MaudGonneMad
OT (I meant to say before that I love the username)

Penal Laws were abolished by the Gov of Ireland Act? Really? Which ones? Not so sure about that...

Sections 5.2 and 37.1 of the 1920 act, made Catholics, once more, eligible to occupy the office of Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, the British monarch's representative in Ireland. Viscount FitzAlan of Derwent became the first Roman Catholic Lord Lieutenant of Ireland since the penal laws banned it in 1685 only months after it passed.He was the first and last Lord Lieutenant seeing as in 1922 Ireland became the Free State (AFAIK)

I'll have a look at the link you so kindly gave me, thanks.