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In Scotland Wales and Ireland (UK bit)

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 10/09/2016 07:55

Is it more common to have a very scottish Welsh Irish name or a more English easily pronouncible one in a say a class of kids?
Does this depend on areas eg close to borders are more anglicised? Or just those with english connections (family possible moves etc)
There are so many names that are so beautiful that I'd never heard of before reading them on here but theyre almost never pronounced how I expected

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 13/09/2016 14:31

BBC aren't very good at achiving their programmes so that people can view them months/years later!
They often make fantastic programmes that can then never be found again!

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treaclesoda · 13/09/2016 14:24

BBC N Ireland did an interesting Irish language documentary (I can't speak Irish myself, but it was subtitled) about the links between Irish language and culture and Breton language and culture.

i8E314 · 13/09/2016 14:10

i stumbled on to bbc scotland once and to my amazement I could understand bits of it. to be fair ''bits of it'' is all I could understand if I ''stumbled on to'' tee gee cahurrrrr

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 13/09/2016 13:52

Is the pronouciation vastly different between scottish gaelic and Irish gaelic?

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 13/09/2016 11:54

Because you (presumably? ) speak Irish or at least know how to pronounce thinga are there any other languages across the world that you find easier - are there other languages simular pronunciations? And when reading English if you come across a word you don't know that has say an ais or something with a different irish pronounciation in it does your brain automatically go to the Irish pronounciation or English?

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wigglesrock · 13/09/2016 11:50

Foggymist I think, mentioned Caoimhe - I would always say Kkee as opposed to Quee (like Queen). I know a few people whose heads are turned with different family members saying it each way.

Stevefromstevenage · 13/09/2016 11:42

Haha wiggles cross post down south but not too different.

Stevefromstevenage · 13/09/2016 11:42

Ciara not quite but nearly Kira

Grainne (no s) Grr awn ya - best I can do

Meabh rhymes with grave.

wigglesrock · 13/09/2016 11:40

Grainne - Grawn (rhymes with Dawn) ya
Meabh - Meav (rhymes with brave)
Ciara - Keer (rhymes with beer) a

But I have a very fast West Belfast accent, so my pronounciation leans towards that.

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 13/09/2016 11:29

I bet none of those names aside from sinead are said how i would try and say them...

Ciara - see air a or kyra?
Grainnes - grain Ness - no idea lol
Meabhs - meaves?

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 13/09/2016 11:26

how would google know how you say h!
The haitch vs aitch thing might well have come from Ireland then! I remember in primary schooo it being a thing that it was only 'proper' to say aitch and saying haitch was common.

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wigglesrock · 13/09/2016 11:04

How do I say "h?" You know what I'm going to say to you now don't you? - Google it . I say haitch not aitch. No I didn't give my kids Irish names - tbh I just preferred other names and I have daughters and I found a lot of the girls names a bit dated just because I knew millions of Ciara's, Sineads, Grainnes, Meabhs. I prefer the boys names.

Stevefromstevenage · 13/09/2016 10:57

Fenian was a republican Irish movement and Taig I presume come from the name Tadhg pronounced in a similar manner which is the Irish for Tim/Timothy.

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 13/09/2016 10:53

How do you feel now about Irish names? Would you/did you use Irish names for your children ?

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 13/09/2016 10:52

How do you say 'h'? Is that an accent variation?

Sorry to hear that you were called those things and treated like that. Would that kind of thing be unusual now like racist language eg 'n' word is now? It's interesting that someone mentioned the words had been reclaimed much like the n word I guess?

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wigglesrock · 13/09/2016 10:27

Oh ok - I'm in my 40s, - I was called a dirty Taig, a Fenian slut a lot in the 70s and 80s usually when I was in my school uniform, lots of the how do you say "h"? questions when I got older (into post primary education). I still see Taigs out/no Taigs graffitied onto new housing developments and on eleventh night bonfires. I have worked in places where several conversations have been had in the staff room along the lines of fucking Fenians get everything, can't trust them, they're trying to breed us out. My parents didn't give us Irish names because they didn't want us to be identified by our religion from the get go. I live in the UK bit. Hope that helps.

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 13/09/2016 10:12

My reason behind asking actual people was i though it better to to hear it from the people that it effects rather than google throwing up something that might not actually be the way people who live there feel/think.
Eg there are lots and lots of 'facts' on black lives matter campaign but actually talking to black people about it often shows different views/interpretations.

As above someone has already said that in the area they grew up in the word had a different meaning to someone else. Had I Googled it that probably wouldn't have been the case.

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Arborea · 13/09/2016 09:50

Fenian and Taig are usually considered terms of abuse if they're used by 'outsiders', but were sort of reclaimed as self descriptions when I was at school eleventy million years ago

Cloeycat · 13/09/2016 08:51

As a Catholic from the South- Kerry. Ive never heard Fenian used as a derogatory term, around here it's used to say someone (or maybe their family) had republican leanings but not in a derogatory way.

My first thought from the T word was a Tan- which is a derogatory term used for someone who is British

wigglesrock · 13/09/2016 08:45

JazzAnnNonMouse I was one of the first posters on your thread and gave you a bit of a wtf - I was reading the thread yesterday and thought maybe I was a bit defensive, arsey. But have you not googled anything since yesterday?

You're now asking posters to explain words that are classified as hate speech, there's loads of political situations in the world that I wouldn't be sure that I knew about but I'm not sure I'd start a thread on a forum that people from there frequently use without spending 5 mins on the internet making sure I didn't unintentionally "say" the wrong thing. Its either ignorance or arrogance to do otherwise.

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 13/09/2016 08:27

Not giving religion much importance sounds ideal to me

Do you know if those words have a translation or a meaning behind them?

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Amalfimamma · 13/09/2016 08:04

JazzAnnNonMouse

Fenian and Taigs, derogatory terms used for catholics.

You see this is where it gets interesting/difficult/unique not all protestants want to remain in the UK and not all catholics want a united ireland.

Northern Ireland was created in such a way as to have the most sqf area but keeping unionists, therefore at that time protestants, as the highest possibile percentage. That is why only 6 of ulster's 9 counties are in the UK.

In the Republic yes catholics would be the majority but in Ireland as a whole there is a growing anti church sentiment. There was a time when if you were Catholic you went to a Catholic school and protestants went to protestant schools but now there are integrated schools where religion isn't given all that much importance.

Stevefromstevenage · 13/09/2016 07:50

Fenians and Taigues I am guessing but bigotry is not my strong suit.

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 13/09/2016 07:48

So was it of you were protestant you wanted to be part of the UK and if you're catholic you wanted to be separate?

Is it the case then that most protestants live in northern iremand and most catholics live in the other part?
What about if you're neither?

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