Matilda

Welcome. Sad but true, didn't work though.

I think they are separate cases. For example, I love red hair, I tell my DH if i ever move on it will only be so I can have little red head babies and I would still love him :P But if I had been bullied for having red hair at school I might hope my children didn't have red hair so they don't have to go through that... I hope ressyHedMair doesn't take this example the wrong way ....
People worry about all kinds of things with their babies, a little understanding of that instead of name calling would go a long way on these threads.

Tranquilitybaby thanks so much for that helpful contribution.

ressyHedMair I see the point you're making but I'm not sure I agree. Asking if something is 'chavvy' indicates, to me at least, that it's a term they use to describe people and things.

I'm Irish too and I find the British class obsession tedious.

Bubalou, you are wasting your time, the troll really doesn't get it at all.

Ignore and she/he might go away hopefully.

Yeah Elizabeth!

Teach them to call people knobs!!!

Paha

'People who are secure in themselves don't obsess over this chav association'

I understand completely now why you are taking this so personal. I didn't realise you are the head of the CACA - the chav and chavettes association.

I bet you have a badge there!

Being described as chavvy is hardly the worst thing - certainly not worse then being called a knob.

I know a lot of names that yes in my opinion I would openly say they sound chavvy - but that is purely based on geography I think - what area you are from and people you know with those names.

Elizabethnaylor1980 if you're happy to teach your children that it's acceptable to call people 'chavs' well then that's up to you. But don't pretend it isn't bandied around as an insult.

I think there's a difference between worrying about other people's snobbery towards your choice, and being prejudiced against somebody else's child because of its name!

The first is a lack of security in your own situation and ability to provide a privileged life for your child and the second is just unnecessarily unpleasant. The two are very different and come from totally different places.

She didn't say she thought the name was chavvy!

She asked 'if there are chav associations' as there were with her other name choice.

She did not say - Matilda is a chavvy name - do you all agree?

'Oh and what do you mean by 'more secure about my own situation'?'

I mean that people who are secure in themselves don't bother with this chav obsession that some people have. It's a snobbery that indicates insecurity.

squoosh why would I do that? There are "chavs" in all walks of life and I am friends with a few, all of whom are nice people and even say they are "chavs" themselves. I would stay to chat but I am bidding on a high horse on eBay and I wouldn't want to get outbid. Lovely chatting, I wish you well with rest of your pregnancy and your name choosing.

'I might as well give up. It's like banging my head against a brick wall.'

And that's exactly how I feel about you. You're determined not to admit that yes, maybe it isn't very nice to refer to names as chavvy.

I really am quite content with the way I come across, thanks for your concern. As I've already said if you believe I'm a troll as you stated earlier I believe the recommend course of action is to report. Not to boast that you bitch about me on another corner of the internet.

Oh and what do you mean by 'more secure about my own situation'?

What situation is that? Do you know something I don't?

I don't shop in Iceland if that's what you mean but it's because I don't like the food they sell.

I do shop in good old Tesco though as well as a lot of local farm shops etc.

I ride my high horse there which is very economical but not so good for parking nor storing the shopping bags.

Kav - that is how I read it.

Oh god squoosh I guess I might as well give up. It's like banging my head against a brick wall.

I think that people should be grown up and admit when they have said something wrong or clearly offensive (very clearly as it was deleted by MNHQ).

If you're happy with the way you come across then I'm very happy to carry on sitting here and quietly rolling my eyes at yet another dumb comment from yourself.

At least I'm not alone as several other posters have spoken up to say that you were also bang out of order.

I can't speak for the OP but I can attempt to defend my own fear of other people's snobbery. I knew in my heart when I was pg with dc2 that the relationship was on the rocks so I knew when I named DC2 that I'd be facinng the immediate future as a single mother, a single mother on benefits at that. Their father paid no maintenance for a long time. I am socially confident in my own country. I don't have to worry about others looking down on me, it wouldn't occur to me. But in a foreign country, and one so class-conscious as Britain, and Britain considering Irish as lacking class whether that is the case or not, then I will admit that I was very conscious of not inadvertently giving my child a name that would be another invitation to pre-judge him/her. I think I avoided that, but who knows. I was sensitive at the time. I cared at the time. Now I would think fuck the judgers. But naming a baby is scary.

I thought the OP had discounted her first choice name (which she hasn't specified) because the baby name threads had thrown up comments that it was 'chavvy' and 'likely to be heard shouted across Iceland'.

I read it that she is now casting about for opinions on her second choice, Matilda. I thought she only mentions the chav and Iceland bits in context of the research done on the first name and the comments she found.

Is this not right?

theylearnedfrombrian I did do that! I realised I must be missing something as I know Iceland has a very strict names policy but still it didn't add up :D In my defence, I am not from the UK and I'm not sure I've ever been to an iceland shop so it's not my first thought!

Oh I dunno, until recently that would have been my perception of the name, that it was a middle-class choice. I wouldn't want to stand up in court and defend that perception though, and as I said, perhaps I shouldn't have pigeon-holded matlidas as being middle-class as the poor young traveller girl married off to a sixteen year old boy the other day was called Matilda. So obviously it is like Jessica or Holly or Charlotte.

Having a friend who seemed traumatised to have been a Tracy, I do understand that people want to put avoid giving their daughter a name that would be disadvantageous to her. This is something that would have effected me more in the UK as I would have worried about OTHER PEOPLE'S SNOBBERY

I agree with the poster who says it's amongst the names that will be like Alison, Gillian, Nicola, Suzanne. But there's nothing wrong with that. I wanted to avoid that but it turns out, I didn't manage to avoid it. I'm sure my dd's name is very much of its decade.

bubalou do try and keep up. Of course there was a reason for my name calling. I called her a knob in reaction to her frankly ridiculous worries over whether a name was chavvy or likely to be heard shouted in Iceland.

God forbid someone would find out their child shared a name with someone whose parents shopped at Iceland rather than Waitrose.

But go ahead, you defend those petty little prejudices it it makes you feel more secure about your own situation.

Theylearnedfrombrian

That is exactly something I would do!

Off point, but I read practically this whole thread thinking you meant Iceland the country, not the shop, and thinking 'I don't get it'.

Htf2

I'm not one to talk - apparently when I was about 10 I called my sister a dildo!

I didn't know what one was obviously but after my mum told me off I didn't say it again!

Oh my mistake....

Did she ask for you to call her a knob then?

Sincere apologies - I must have not read that part

You keep scooting over the obvious and picking on parts other people have said. You're name opinion isn't what is under scrutiny - it's the fact you were unnecessarily rude and mean to someone for no reason.

Clearly my earlier observation about brain cells was correct as nothing that has been said to you seems to sink in.

ressyHedMair Why recently middle class? The Roald Dahl Matilda makes me think of it as quite classic. I should say that I don't actually know any.
bubalou now that it comes up I do remember telling my youngest sister years ago that calling someone a knob was completely unacceptable :)